Dear David,
I would hope that both the Current Australian society, and indeed Norway's society, have matured and become less violent than the days of Australian occupation by European 'settlers'.

Let's not forget that many of our ancestors came to Australia by force...they were sent here as convicts.

I certainly don't see the Norway tragedy as in any way similar to that earlier time in Australia's history, or indeed in Norway's history.

It was also not as a result of any war as such, except in that violent individual's mind maybe.
We cannot accept that the killer did what he did because he felt his country was being 'taken over'.

If we did accept that action for that reason, then almost everyone in the world would also have reason for going back to their country of origin, or the country their ancestors came from and killing all and sundry for taking over their land sometime in our human history!

Dear Suzeonline,

I think most people in Australia's past were peaceful. Only a minority were involved in the violence. Now, like most other democracies we export violence. Since we don't need force to keep our own people under control we are free to export the violent ones to other countries to perform heroic deeds of violence.

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=9631 contains my essay on the subject.

I see the Norway tragedy as similar to that earlier time in Australia's history and in Norway's history. Breivik is in the tradition of the Norse berserker.

Breivik obviously regards himself as a heroic figure, and in a sense he is. He had strong convictions and formed and carried out a very daring plan without consideration for his own future. Had he been a member of the Resistance under occupation and done something similar he would be hailed as a hero. He expects to get recognition for his heroism in 60 years time.

You wrote: It was also not as a result of any war as such, except in that violent individual's mind maybe. We cannot accept that the killer did what he did because he felt his country was being 'taken over'.

I accept that Breivik felt his country was being 'taken over.' I think what he did was vile and atrocious. However, we fail to understand it if we do not recognise its relationship to similar acts which have been accepted.

White guilt, White guilt, White guilt.

"Australia was founded on killing Aboriginals".
Errr...actually it was founded as a penal colony ,the early missions into the interior were of a scientific nature but always with the commercial exploitation of the continent in mind.
Thousands of White people also died unnecessarily to put us where we are today, no tinge of regret over their passing?

Nobody feels guilty about the 41 Norwegian women raped by African and Arabic immigrants in Oslo last year, do they?
What about the 15 year old girl raped by two Africans in the mall in Parramatta last week, she's alleging passers by ignored her cries for help? Anyone feel guilty about that?

The very first line of this thread admits guilt over assumptions about the race of the killer, even though the first reports on the day explicitly stated that an Islamic group had claimed responsibility.
So why feel guilty about being misled?
If people are giving you incorrect information how is it your fault?

I repeat, just like egalitarianism corporate responsibility is a White fantasy, White people act as individuals but believe in universalism, it's a racial trait, different Races have different psychological traits.

jay...note '*'

quote..""Australia was 'founded*on' killing Aboriginals".
Errr...actually it was 'founded*as' a penal colony""

mate as/on
is two different things

""the early missions into the interior..were of a scientific nature""

yes that was the cover
joseph banks was trained to kill
[using smallbox virus..ie the most cowardly form of war]
bio-logical war teqnique..he was taught..in new foundland

when he returned he was the prime mover..
in declaring the great south lands..empty lands..[terra nulious]

your right..""but always with the commercial exploitation
of the continent in mind.""

using slaves for the landed gentry
people jailed for simple theft like stealing bread or a hankey
[ie lower class slobs..excl;uded from their own traditional lands..by lords and fools..who forbad the hungry/poor to even catch a fish in THEIR streams

they still hold their titles today
much of the land outside towns...is still excluded from ANY change

""Thousands of White people also died unnecessarily to put us where we are today,no tinge of regret over their passing?""

yes sure..POOR people
cannon fodder...landless peons..homeless peons
the same game..still going down today
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25754

half casts..just white enough..but definativly poor
or labled criminal by statute[civil law]..not criminal law
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G96TY5JsV-s&feature=youtu.be

here in this page we got a nutter
killing kids...killing by party line
notable..in the main the current labour elites

so he was acting..for liberal elites[most definitivly white]
not just by definition..or casual mention..or simply saying it was so

""41 Norwegian women raped by African and Arabic immigrants in Oslo last year,""

yeah i guess thats a good reason for killing KIDS
white kids

mate think about what your saying

is rape equal to murder
[and dont be getting high and mighty about that..

both are bad
but one kills you..
by a liberal white nutter..for ever]

are we talking about convictions or charges or complaintrs of rape
[dont bother rep-lying..cause THATS NOT THIS TOPIC]

DONT MAKE EXCUSES
here was a white nut
who thinks its ok to save whites by killing white kids

doing so called..black acts..
[even the language used is racist]

continues

""the first reports on the day explicitly stated that an Islamic group had claimed responsibility."""

yes a FRONT GROUP
that later redacted*
http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/islamic-extremist-claims-responsibility-for-oslo-bombing-group-retracts/

fake al-cia-rda
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fakealqaeda.php

you read the documents
[thanks to zionists]..lol

Document.no is run by Hans Rustad,
who is Jewish and a pro-Zionist.
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/blog/joeblow/oslo-bomber-norwegian-freemason-and-super-zionist

His blog promotes hate of Muslims
and supports restriction on Norwegian immigration of Muslims.
its a sad mossad joke
it began..a few days ago
ended in mass murder

it began with this
http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/abbas-to-meet-norwegian-foreign-minister/
Palestinian leader President Mahmoud Abbas is in Norway,LAST Monday, for a working lunch with FM Jonas Gahr Støre..to discuss the peace process and the current situation in Palestine

next

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/07/19/53408557.html
Norway to support Palestinians – Norwegian FM

Norway will support Palestinians
who are set to press for recognition of the independence of their state by the United Nations,..says the Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre...

next we had a youth rally
in support of a free palistein
http://tinyurl.com/3zhsj4w

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2011/07/youthcamp-killer-may-have-anti-palestine-motive.html

the murders own words
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.document.no%2Fanders-behring-breivik%2F

of course the usual al quarda propaganda[lies]

http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/islamic-extremist-claims-responsibility-for-oslo-bombing-group-retracts/
Helpers of the Global Jihad [read mossad]

have since issued a retraction
of their earlier statement claiming
that they* caused the bombing in central Oslo.

Oslo bomber is a Norwegian Freemason and a super ZIONIST!
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/blog/joeblow/oslo-bomber-norwegian-freemason-and-super-zionist

He was part of the Jewish anti-Muslim movement
in Europe by way of the Fjordman Organization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fjordman

Quote:
Fjordman is an anonymous Norwegian blogger.
He writes articles critical of Islam and
he regards Muslim immigration as posing
a threat to Western civilization.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2575

fake?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fakealqaeda.php
other flash backs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair

mossad fake blogging army
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/850/298/Israel_Hires_Internet_Soldiers_to_Penetrate_American_Forums,_Chatrooms.html

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/07/analyzing-oslo-attacks-part-two-if-it.html

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/norwegian-terror-when-in-doubt-blame-the-muslims/

http://lonestarwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/07/is-false-flag-terror-card-getting.html

http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2011/07/22/yet-another-program-on-what-do-white-jewish-think-tankers-in-d-c-think-the-u-s-should-do-about-iran/

recall christ church
seems a mossad agen[with multiple pasports
was found in a crushed car]
no link..but

more FROM..
the same old jokers

http://www.bobtuskin.com/2011/07/23/israel-urged-to-stop-faking-foreign-passports/
http://www.jeff-goodall.com/?p=5403
two killers
http://en.rian.ru/world/20110723/165350450.html

http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=15810
http://bullionbullscanada.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21642:economic-rape-of-europe-nearly-complete-part-i&catid=45:international-commentary&Itemid=133

http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2011/07/israel-shamir-why-palestine-is-important-2/
http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/the-omnipotence-of-al-qaeda-an?xg_source=activity
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=15819

looks like an insiders job
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2011/07/norway-attacks-suspect-anders-breivik.html

ripe for exploitation
http://yayacanada.blogspot.com/2011/07/norway-tragedy-already-exploited-by.html

just..like
911 practice pr/actice pr/act-ice
http://theintelhub.com/2011/07/23/norway-terror-attacks-now-being-compared-to-oklahoma-city-bombing-as-evidence-of-false-flag-operation-continues-to-mount/

yeah i know
you dont read links

but see the joke
http://www.bobtuskin.com/2011/07/23/no-normalisation-unless-israel-apologises-erdogan/

So why feel guilty about being misled?

If people are giving you incorrect
information how is it your fault?

im pretty much over the topic
am glad he didnt get his publicity
would hope that we boycott the topic alltogether
cause it just give aid and destraction to some really insane people

here is this nutters OWN words
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2011/07/23/anders-breivik-norwegian-terror-suspect-admirer-of-israel-avigdor-lieberman/

So let us fight together with Israel,
with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists,
against all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists" -- Anders Breivik, from his Manifesto

its not funny at all
http://morallowground.com/2011/07/23/fox-news-host-laura-ingraham-blames-norwegian-terror-attacks-on-muslims-links-story-to-ground-zero-islamic-center/

this link reveals much truth
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

like this iranian joke
[seems mossad hit the wrong iranian]
http://islamist.com/p361956-israel-mossad-shoots-wrong-iran-nuke.cfm

first this
The semi-official ISNA news agency
identified the victim as Darioush Rezaei,
a 35-year-old physics professor involved in Iran’s nuclear program,

BUT THAT WAS A LIE...joke?
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fgw-iran-nuclear-scientist-20110723,0,5449870.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fnews%2Fnationworld%2Fworld+%28L.A.+Times+-+World+News%29

but here is another
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/israel_staged_1976_hijacking.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=no&tl=en&u=http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article4073714.ece

the one thiong i really want to read
is a translation of the kibngs speach
the bit i heard sounded very forgiving

the last thing we need is more witch hunts
or more excuses for nutter's to serve rightwing zionistic whitist neo natzie adgenda's[they allready stole back the 5 th reiche]

have the biggest prison camops in the world
own too much of the reigns of power...
need to wake up

to the fact
we are all chldren..of the one god
muder cannot honour the only life GIVER
no death serves the good god sustaining EVERY living thing..our very life