the joke is only too clear
the simple solution is not present facts
then jump on the opposing side...as they try to make them out

looks like tonies 25 bucks was near spot on
the LEAK...says its 23 bucks...[3 days before juliar presents the numbers]

tony has been telling us its 25..and got poo/pooed
he told us about peterol based car-bon tax..
when the liar was saying 1000 ALONE will pay

ok 2 days ago that became 500
ONLY SO THEY CAN NAME CALL TONEY AS LYING*

they LONG SAID 1000
for 3 days they say 500
the numbers CHANGED...to loose fuel tax

its rather pathetic really
blame this on focus groups?
fukcuss groups is howards way..now its the juliars way

i can hear the fukus group saying 1000?
is bigger than 500

i can hear the fuksuss group saying..9 out of ten wont pay the tax
in fact will get a tax cut...[in fact even make a proffit]

yet the fock-us groups KNOW*..in their hearts
there shall be many[ALL OF US WHO WILL PAY}
or else why 'top us up'..

so why say the lie 1000?
then days before say 500

[to set up toney][make tony look a phoney..
as well as prove juliar a liar]

mate its sad to thinkers..
the ignorasnce of the non thinkers
maybe they should run the numbers by the focuss groups
about opting in or opting out..or taking it to the people

BEFORE THEY COMMIT SUICIDE
before the minester for carbon
poluting..[bert combie]
stuffs up his chances
of ever leading the fgp..['fukus group/party']

formerly called a.l.p...

now become l.a.p...[dog]
for the moneyed elite$

and the carbon..ga$$..changers
into money-changer$$

The big question is, is it going to hurt. Yes!

Will it make a spot of difference to the global problem. no!

I think all politicians should be made to run a business for themselves before being eligible for election.

at lest then they would be liable for their owns mistakes and have to fund them from their own pockets.

I now realise we don't have the courage to discuss real issues on this Forum. If we were to rely upon the Liberal National parties to provide progress and leadership you can forget them. They are beholden to big International business Rehctub.

The recent elections of LNP State Govt's in NSW and Vic, have proved this beyond any shadow of a doubt. The Victorian Gov't used taxpayers money to examine the State Budget using a private firm after rejecting State Treasury analysis, in order that they present falsely, a failing economy. The Victorian economy was of course the healthiest in the Nation under Brumby.

The NSW Farrell Gov't in it's wisdom, decided that the first thing it needed to do, was unleash it's own personal version of Workchoices, upon it's state employee's. High on the list, I'm sure for all Australians,(sic), facing massive increases in the cost of living, not through the carbon tax, but through the impending capacity of business to use the carbon tax as an excuse to gouge in a regulation free and wage rise free environment.

In a nutshell, someone really has to fix the damage done to the Australian way of life, by the ideologues of the past, not elect a bunch of new ones like Abbott and Co. Or any other politician favoured by Murdoch's media Empire.

i note yesterdays lab rebuttal
that a sale OFFER..by a foreign entity

[likely that had to be
submitted to some govt body in advance...

thus one labratters could later relly on
early..into the spin campain..for a new tax..

to wit yesterdays destraction point..
where a specialist coal provider...[for that 'special'..coal
neded to smelt steel..gets a revised take over bid]..

thats 'discovered' as some excuse...
to refute tony quoting..the green line of ending *all coal]

if you dont get what im saying..
then thats cause it was alp spin
media re direction

the real issues were deeper
[look at the timmings]..ie julia went to see rupert
to gain egsactly the same advantages...as witnessed in uk

[her bit was putting the abc satilite tender up...
[see media watch]

she knew that would be news this week
so quickly finalised and setup the presss release on sunday...
when the house couldnt scruitinise it properly for 6 weeks..
and so the caucus couldnt rebell..

[or rather couldnt yell
..till the same time period..has given her a chance
to change the bad poll-numbers]

only 30 percent..like the lies
70 percent dont..

[add in the murdock crime..the sat-rat/tender]
she decided it was sunday...[in one hour]..or nothing
rather that 4 question times[4 hours]

plus hours/days..in caucus

the simple solution
for carbon polution
is doing the right thing..not the wrong scam..built on lies

we have no idea how much co2..
comes from what batch of coal..[old coal will loose c02]

may be wetter or dryer..burn slow..
releasing lots of simple carbon
or fast..releasing ONLY c02

so were going to pay tax BASED on guesstimates...
rounding up..[not down]..on permits to polute..
ONLY 500 will be collecting

that then..will be speculated on
by those guys..dealing in the price of comm-odities[forhuge bonus]
who will send this limited commodity'/product's price..through the roof

based on lies
as a destraction from the boat deals..
that allways get announced too far in advance
then fall down..but back to this odious tax..on breathing

6 states only in usa are 'doing it..[as a trial]
total cost for them is 6 billion

[and their states are much bigger than ours]

yes nz..*has a sceme
its price..is half the price of ours

so guess who's carbon permit's...
we..[the 500]..will be bying
and gues what 'price'
we will be charging you..[ie the set price 23$]

a permit is a permit to polute
here or nz..or eu..it goes into the same blue sky

the scam
is creating 20 new sceme's
crating 5 new burocracie's

when the simple solution was simply doing nothing
or low cost direct actions...

[egsempting petrol..
only to MAKE..phoneytony..into a liar...
removing..how many of the *WORST*..poluters?

but also revealed yet more lies..
[ie 1000 into 500]..etc
with the worst poluters off the list

but the worst one was the trickey
with raising the taxable minimum
while increasing the rate of the tax..threshhold..

[ie clever accounting...that increases the tax
on those at the two lowest rates
while egsempting..[or leaving the rate of the richest..the same]

clearly attacking the middle class
so affectivly silenced by murdock...
doing his dirty favouritism's..for self advantage

[like band chewing bandwidth for his 'high def'..tv...
[to make that format not web friendly.

to ensure his other..franchise's]
plus the uk stuff/
plus the bskyb...

and the equivelent
granted him a chance to out-tender the abc...

*by juliar

ie
what..we would be discussing
if we wernt..made to/be..dissing or cussing...
this..big new/tax*scam..

Thanks OUG for your thought filled contributions;

What is the right thing ? to do in your view OUG, about pollution mean, I would really like to know.

I have a major concern with media hacking phones. The problem is; that politicians could hardly be independent if the Media baron can simply say ,

Well, we have some goss about you attending a gay bar and we don't like that legislation.
Could you do something for us, about preventing that. The very independence of Gov't and Democracy itself is under threat here OUG. But of course I believe you already know this.

The simple solution to carbon and other forms of pollution, is to make business bare the cost of it, genuinely, and comprehensively. Legislate to ensure that the cost cannot be passed on to the consumer. They will soon learn to adjust their business models as will consumers learn to adjust their usage habits.