Pelican,

"Not so SM and if you take off your liberal party hat for a moment you might see the opportunities here for onshore processing instead of choosing to find the negative in all ALP policies.

Shipping processed halal meat to meet the demands of an overseas market is also providing new job opportunities and you can transport more boxed meat on a ship than live animals - a win-win."

I'm sorry, but that is complete rubbish! The cattle are not the preferred breed for Australia, and the reason that the live cattle trade exists is largely because there is not the infrastructure to ship frozen meat in Indonesia.

Why else are farmers resorting to shooting their own live stock!

THE PLAN= &

*Those perceptions are built from what they read, hear and see in the media.*

* Perceptions can easily be turned into belief and the truth by those practiced in the media.*

* The easiest way to discredit Lyn White and the RSPCA is to start a whisper about fraud, pre-meditation and so on... and that is what has happened.*

*The farmers, the producers, your future market, are persuaded by the information they are receiving, that something smells.*

*It is the strike back from the vested interests in the live trade. Discredit your opposition. When you have time get a DVD called 'Wag the Dog'.*

*Shooting cattle & footage of cattle dieing of thirst and starvation is the plan. Blame RSPCA , AA & turn the public against them .*

THE PROBLEM WITH THE PLAN IS -
1 Complaint laid to police, Ludwig s office, Attorney General.

2 Calls for Royal Commission into industry in relation to allegations to conspire to defame RSPCA, Lyn White, 4 Corners.

3 to convert the course of justice & to defame Lyn White
corners RSPCA.

4 To bring about cruelty cases to create media sensation.

5 To allege industry can pay media for sensational story to plants seeds of lies in the Australian public's minds

MLA Malicious Liars Association & Industry in my opinion using our tax $

Our submission to the inquiry will start off with a detailed report of telephone conversations& we have a problem with our answering machine- It gets stuck on- we will blame Patel for that not paying his way.!

A copy of police report & statement will be available to Lyn White RSPCA 4 corners.

We will be calling for a full Royal Commission & happy to give evidence.

I would highly recommend they put their hands up *now to save a Royal Commission & possible charges to convert to course of justice & cruelty charges buy selling overseas plants & investing here.

Of course they are free to ignore the advise & battle it out in a open Royal commission.

Their choice

Yabby! this post is my honestly held view and is for your information.
I consider my self a good ALP supporter.
That gives me the right and the duty to be honest.
You have stabbed me on the live cattle issue ,I think you should read my posts.
On behalf of every member/supporter of my party who wants better.
This disgraceful event, offering SOCIAL WELFARE is an insult!
Gillard is my leader, I DEEPLY REGRET THAT!
I hold her accountable.
You are aware, we have spoken of it, cradles and a tag system, a long with surveillance could be almost in place now.
Cattle could be on the boats on the way now.
That farmer will shoot his cattle, he must, but he knows as you do,an me.
Animal welfare groups would spin it as cruelty.
This country's farm land has many 100,s of mass graves, of starvation or culled cattle killed without option.
Mate know this, every political party gets it wrong, to say not so about our own is a lie.
Constant improvement demands some one in my party pay for this stupid action.
You know I exile myself from these threads,no real progress can be found.
But ask these questions.
how did Lyn White get the film.
Why was action not taken years ago by government and MLA.
Last you debate in a place that makes my head spin is it about the Muslim way of killing,export of Muslim killed boxed meat, profit making from those.
I thought it was about cruelty to animals not commercial gains.
There it is an active member of the ALP far from the only one hand up in the air we got this awfully wrong
HOWEVER Rudd flys out tomorrow at his worst he is better than the fools he will fix this for.

Belly, you and I figured out a simple solution right at the start
of the debate on this topic. What has come out is that some of
those people sitting in offices, simply don't understand agriculture
and how and why it functions as it does.

Anyhow I hope that Rudd can fix things and get them moving again,
before there is a complete disaster in the North.

The RSPCA will have to decide if they are for animal welfare or
animal liberation, for it looks like they have been hijacked in
that direction.

Hopefully some good will come out of it all, like some humane and
well designed slaughter equipment for the third world. Livestock
from many nations will benefit.

Fortunately labor has caved in to common sense!

"Australia's ban on live cattle exports to Indonesia has been lifted, Federal Agriculture Minister Joe Ludwig says. Senator Ludwig said he was confident Indonesian abattoirs could now meet Australian standards."

I am sure that Indonesia has completely revamped their abattoirs in the last couple of weeks! Or they realised that the ban was simply another media inspired labor stuff up!

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/australia-to-resume-cattle-trade-to-indonesia-20110706-1h29m.html

Yes SM, I heared the good news a short time ago! They will do
what they have been doing in Egypt, just close the supply chain and
limit the works which can handle them. It will take a huge
pressure off the North. I think they only just averted complete
disaster up there. These animal liberation groups just don't
understand agriculture, neither the implications of what they are
calling for.