Yabby,
Fair enough, & i will think if there is a way to disclose where that came from( without giving other info to public.)
Mean time- lets jut say what if for eg Indonesian Directorate General of Livestock Services (DGLS with Indonesia's Trade Minister,
Dr Pangestu might have mentioned in 2010(may) Intentions re restrict intake with view t being fully sufficient by 2014.
Could that have been forget in a hand over- don’t know.
Would it ring alarm bells. For a poly- probably not imop. You’d wonder if Ludwig knows even now. Sometimes the answer is so simple.
Why do we put pollies in charge of unique industries.

Would others have known – imop yep
Did AA know this - don’t know, maybe possibly , clever, coincidence, does it matter now.
But ask yourself this- As Indonesia is so close why wait until now. Perhaps a shrewd political move. Whatever it was we thank them anyway because no decent person allows stock to be treated like that.

Spare me Yabby, I know people who have worked both their ME & Malaysia & horror stories are the norm- so let’s get past that.

What really matters here is they are aiming to be self sufficient by 2014
& Yes they had a setback when locals slaughtered the breeding cattle.
The Indonesian government have banned that now.If you put *everything aside that’s happened & look at what must be done now.
We must open here, fly in some plant workers until we train more of our own.
Those guys were getting 3$ a kilo for good sake. We can do better than that for our growers & Animals.

Demand for chilled Halal & others from Australia is huge- can’t keep up supply.
ALL their orders are 2000 mt + which we can’t supply due to the fight for stock.& of course we don’t have the plants to process.
We have a big future with Saudi if we are smart who are moving towards chilled & love Aussie beef.

The 30% price increase hasn’t swayed them – they can’t get enough.

Yabby,

apologies
That should have read Mean time- lets jut say what if for eg Indonesian Directorate General of Livestock Services (DGLS with Indonesia's Trade Minister,Stephen Smith raised the issue Indonesia aimed at being self sufficient by 2014.
Indonesian government are forming a collective strategy to have Malaysia as world Halal Hub & deals are already in place with Pakistan.
Saudi could be EASILY still brought on board with Australia not happy all together with that thought ( but warming to it)
There is still time to set up the greatest agriculture system doing it here.

They are forward thinkers, clever biz people & food to them is all important. They are very concerned about diseases & we have a vast country for a proper immigration system . A Roger was WA could pump the water. Saudi are too very aware of the worldwide push to ban live exports. I understand the loyalty thing to the industry- i do.But there's no reason those ships cant be decked out with freezers.
No harm to truckers & they do 2 trips instead of one.
Yes short term people up NT will be peeved but the rest of us think truck them south because were are not investing $ into something that ends in 2014. Rather put public's $ here.
On a personal note I would like to add as well think it cruel to put wild animals on ships at all.
Now pls before u start with your predictable come back about floating feed lots- just consider some of the other points I have raised.

A partial ban on the 100s of small poorly equipped abattoirs would have had far less impact on the farmers and beef market in Australia, while giving the Indonesians time to implement solutions.

What we have presently is a stoppage that leaves 1000s of young cattle stranded, often without sufficient food, and all farmers in the country facing losses from very low beef prices.

While the Indonesians as pointed out indicated that they wished to reduce imports by 75%, this was going to happen slowly over several years and would be matched by either new markets or farmers changing their product mix. While the Indonesians have boosted local production, the increasing desire for meat has meant that their import reliance is reducing slower than originally intended.

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*Well we can speak of the whats ifs & sit on our veranda chewing our cud.*

Speak for yourself there Gertrude, but of course that explains alot :)

Yabby

The fact you asked for my comments to be removed only supports my claims of why your really posting. Your pro liberal agenda is very clear. My proposal re opening plants is on record. As for liberal party that you support lets talk about their track record for Animal Welfare.

Tony Abbott going to Indonesia will only make things worse. Even if for no other reason because like many Aussies they really dont like the guy. I mean they really really dont like the guy. Thats just a bit of local knowledge for you.

The libs that you are in here to support have a far worse record on Animal Welfare. In fact if anybody is to blame for this mess now in my opinion its the liberals. Had they of fixed up these problems after several enquiers & years and years of being told about this those farmers would not be in the position they are now.

The liberal party brought great shame with their live exports.

Great Shame to each and every Australian with their pro live exports and bugger animal welfare or value adding.

The liberal party has shipped off our jobs raw material for years.

The liberal party are our nations greatest shame in regards to animal welfare.

So you support the libs but they wont get my vote