Yabby,

You REFUSE to answer. The Indonesians TOLD Us over six months ago they were reducing intake 75% WHAT DO U HAVE TO SAY TO THAT?
You & yours didn’t know did you? Find out Why?
You’re not even a cattleman.

* by vibrant Liberal rural NSW Senator, Bill Heffernan*
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Bill who imop part of the problem& its been alleged by a neighbor complaints of cruelty against him fell on deaf ears um,
Last seen gate crashing a press conference talking about shaving young girls public hairs in foreign countries. Why not give him tourism!

*But WA Liberal Senator, was warned a year ago to clean up their act FACT
*The *extreme animal rights *.
Minister Joe Ludwig was warned of the problem months ago. In December, the RSPCA wrote to him pointing to an independent study carried out for the Australian industry into conditions in Indonesia. Although the report's summary was anodyne, the content was damning.

Read more:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/ludwig-dithered-on-matter-till-the-cows-came-home-20110608-1ft7r.html
*He said more than anything else, “I want to know about the integrity of that footage”.*

*He asked *
I think it would be fair to say they had informed these people many a time before and ZERO was done. I can say Ivan was made aware years ago & other than an invitation for a coffee and chat NO interest!

*Ms White shot the vision *
Ms white made SURE the public saw it & what an incredible act of love of Animals to go through doing what she did.

*“As a veterinarian*
As a veterinarian you might ask the same of the AVA. Of course the fact the Government PAY their wages & they are employed by the industry may have something to do with it
Might explain WHY too the AVA refused to accept a petition from other vets protesting live exports& their slaughter at their destinations claiming THEIR opinions did not matter?
Could be why too AVA failed to turn up at a meeting with Peter McGauran’s office & others after first accepting the invitation without even a call to say they were not coming?

Gertrude, I have little to say to your many wild claims.

Indonesia made it clear this year that they would buy half a million
live cattle with a weight limit of 350kg and 50'000t boxed beef.

The indepedant vets who inspected the Indonesian facilites earlier
were independant and saw nothing like the AA claims. Neither did
anyone else for that matter. But I'll wait for the Senate to
enquire and find out what really went on, then we'll all have
an informed opinion. Meantime they'd better get those cattle
moving again, whilst they still can. They'd better move or they
will have a massive lawsuit on their hands.

Yabby

*I have little to say ..*.
Oh my god! I thought u were just lying.
I cant believe the incompetence goes that far- but it must.

Then again why should i believe you .

( ie we had no knowledge.)_=
World Society for the Protection of Animals (WSPA)
Report Philippines
July 2001
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Australian Government
investigates high mortalities aboard 7 SHIPS OF SHAME in 2002.

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Tom Hannan, Federal Secretary
Australasian Meat Industry Employees Union (From amieu)
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Since the 1970's the meatworkers union has opposed live exports on the basis of its destruction of Australian jobs, its inhumane treatment of the animals and the decimation of the meat processing industry.
Since that time at least 25 export meatworks have closed in Australia and more are still closing at the present time.
Processing plants in the top end of Australia have been decimated with only two remaining in operation at Townsville and Innisfail in Queensland, with sporadic kills at Katherine in the Northern Territory. The great majority of cattle in the Northern Territory are exported live.
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Live Animal Export ‘Keniry Inquiry’ – October /December 2003.



members of the review team are:

Professor Ivan Caple,... P

‘Senator O’BRIEN—How does the government monitor animal welfare at foreign abattoirs that slaughter Australian animals exported to those countries?
Mr Merrilees—In a formal sense, we have no formal monitoring program at foreign abattoirs. It is a matter for the sovereign country to put in place any practices that they wish.
Senator O’BRIEN—So we have no protocols with any foreign nation about how animals will be treated upon landing?
Mr Merrilees— NO

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010

INDONESIA - Indonesia's decision to restrict imports of Australian boxed beef and live cattle exports.
Indonesia has dramatically slashed the amount of product it will import, saying it wants Indonesian farmers to become self sufficient and develop their own industry. ....

Thursday, May 13, 2010
Indonesia To Cut Imports
INDONESIA - With an increasing focus on self-sufficiency, ...has said that the Indonesian government is trying to cut meat imports by 10 per cent each year, so that they achieve meat ###self-sufficiency by 2014.###
," Tjeppy D Soedjana, the ministry`s director general of husbandry, told Antaranews.

Speaking at a workshop on action plan for the development of beef cattle, he said Indonesia was determined to reduce its dependence ...programme designed to achieve meat self-sufficiency in 2014.

He said Indonesia`s cattle imports dropped significantly to 450,000 heads in 2008 from 496,000 heads in 2007.

"The cattle imports further fell in 2009," he said.

This year the country`s population of beef cattle reached 11.8 million, 3.5 million of which was found in East Java, he said.

He expressed hope the population of beef cattle would increase to 12-13 million by the end of this year.

"West Nusa Tenggara is one of the regions for the breeding of beef cattle to achieve meat self-sufficiency in 2014," he said.
News Desk ....

Yabby question
why would the public want to spend millions there for another 3 years THEN WHAT
Better put the $ into our own

@ Yabby:

Yes, but what about all those mining jobs you're always on about? When industries become unsustainable in particular areas, labour moves elsewhere. In some ways, that's the short version of Australian labour history.. There's short-term grief for a few who've invested unwisely or find it hard to move, but people move to where the work is. In this instance there's the unfortunate added factor that some Aboriginal workers will also lose their jobs, but there's nothing to stop mining companies from employing them too, is there?

Interesting you raise the possibility of litigation - sounds like a nice smokescreen to deflect attention from the Inquiry's likely findings. I think you'll find attitudes like yours will be distinctly on the nose in the live exports industry once the dust settles - if it still exists, that is :)

Morgan, it is really up to individuals where they decide to work.
But in my experience, if a Govt purposefully destroys an industry
which is quite sustainable, they are unlikely to stay in Govt.
At that moment, live exports will be back.

As to class action, you are free to shoot the messenger, but the
talk in the agriculutural press is one worth 5 billion. For of course
some of those works in Indonesia are up to international standards,
stun guns and all, and there was no good reason to shut them down.

Gertrude, I have no idea from where you drag your figures, but in
2009, Indonesia took 772'868 cattle. Yes, they are trying to breed
more of their own, but easier said then done, they still have to
convince their farmers. Meantime their population is growing and
so is beef consumption.

Meantime with all this kerfuffle and Australia being seen as an unreliable
supplier, the Indonesians could well decide to chop down more rainforest and grow their own.

In that case AA and RCPCA = Orangutan killers