Shadow Minister ever let Truth get in the way of a good slander.
I in fact said Abbott would back down.
He has not yet joined the other party's,EVERY OTHER PARTY except his coalition painters in returning tobacco funding.
You and I are entitled to have our say and opinions.
I except my over reactions to you are many and quite wrong.
It is my truly held view you would say and do anything to avoid confrontation with truth and honesty.
I look forward to more of your threads, as time passes we are nearer to Abbott being replaced and if Labor does not do the same your team will govern.
The non core promises will be chin deep.

Belly,

I notice that the ALP gets huge donations from gambling. Should they return it?

Also at what point did Abbott back down. He never said he would oppose it, only that he was concerned it had serious flaws. He now says he will support the legislation, but move some amendments to correct those flaws.

This legislation has been flighted before it is ready simply because Labor is desperate to pass something with some popularity. If the concerns are correct and the government ends up paying big tobacco billions for IP infringement, then it will be another own goal.

While I think Tony Abbott is working toward blocking a bill or a few of them to force an early election he may have trouble and soon.
Remember Turnbull only got a one vote defeat.
And that he,and others intended to vote against their team on climate change.
Without doubt Tiny Tony only backed down on plain packs after it was clear he could not control the vote of some in his party.
A vote on this climate tax is quick sand for the little fella.
I feel it is his waterloo he must be concerned about Turnbulls intentions in that vote.
Others too may put their own views before party lets watch.
Labor can not cross the floor, do not agree with that,but conservatives do.

It is as much quicksand for Juliar. She has not got the backing of Windsor yet.

Even if she does get the carbon tax through, every cost of living increase will be pinned to the tax and to Labor. It is a win win for Abbott and kick me note pinned to the back of the liar.

SM,

This may clarify things for you:

http://newmatilda.com/2011/05/31/carbon-tax-wont-blow-household-budgets

Hey, SM - they're all "liars" it seems....Labor are indeed a monumental disappointment, and it would be so uplifting to have a leader in opposition who seemed to have real vision and to stand for something - other than merely "opposition".

Tony Abbott appears to be an empty vessel in that regard. He's a particularly uninspiring leader from where I'm standing.

.....can you tell me what this man stands for?