Lexi,

No you haven't answered my question. Indirectly I can only assume that you know full well that it will make no difference to the global emissions.

Your statement "but we increase our chances of such an agreement if we ourselves demonstrate a willingness to take hard decisions about reducing emissions." is completely unfounded, and is pure wishful thinking. Anyone who thinks negotiating is best served by playing one's hand first is in La la land.

The EU emits about 1/4 of the developed world's emissions, and even them presently exempts most electricity generation and industry, with most facing a partial ETS only in 2017. So this carbon tax would put us in front of even the EU, and streets ahead of the rest of the developed world.

lexi/con
buzzwords

""Australia's..*only hope""

ONLY?

while ignoring solar hotwater
is heating up water..in ya garden hose
[which is how i use it]..

so the first buzzword is
""ONLY HOPE""...lol

thats the sort of thing
an abusive boyfriend*..SAYS to his abused girl
[im your 'only hope'..thus take my* abuse]

only hope of what?
""of forestalling
..seriously damaging climate change""

so forstalling
sounds like the forskin
some remove..because it..{removal]..makes 'you..special''

its the same indefinate spin/buzz-buzz *forstalling..lol
[boy is that ever good...lol..convincing science...lol]

lets hope to forskin
[sorry stall/fore]

its so sad

so whats all this hopefull forstalling about?..
"is a strong international agreement..to curb emissions.""

oh i thought a new/TAX..

let fore-go..for-stalling
and mandate ALL HOT-WATER..TO BE SOLAR..!

*problem fixed
[direct action]..

yes..""That's mostly..out of our hands;""
if you dont*..get a free
or SUBSIDISED,..
*govt hose..

..""but we increase our chances
of such an agreement""'

we want ACTION*
not binding blinding/agreements!
based on new/rage-green-spin,..

to subsise those..too dumb to figure out
how to lay..their own garden-hose..in the sun..[sol]

...""if we ourselves
demon-strate a willingness
to take hard decisions..about reducing [C02]emissions."

GREAT POINT

HOW MUCH
HAS GETTING YOUR*...*FREE SOLAR CELLS
*REDUCED ....*YOUR*..consumption..of electicity?

really answer that..!

your power US_AGE..has gone
from what...[pre solar subsidy]..?
to what?

..now your getting more power...
[im sure your using MORE...]

go on
present..*YOUR numbers..!

[i have halved my usage
in one year..!]

my last bill...[with no solar grants/or other stuff]
was UNDER 50 bucks...

[it used to be $89]...
i really doudt yours is anywhere near mine...!

so..*declare how much..*you used
pre the free solar cells
and post solar

SEE THE JOKE...!

..."This is where "direct action"
has been subverted"..

JUST TO GET A NEW TAX

thus fails most demonstrably
since it is clear...such a policy
will see an increase in emissions, not a cut,

and it will just confirm
our international reputation for...""

action that dont change..NUTHIN..
or action for the boys/club
action..for special/greenie
industry delusions

selling a tax/
BY FEAR
spin
lies...

its like the smokers-tax
all-over..a/gain...

[a tax gain]

fool you once
shame on them*

fool you twice
shame on you*..!

Gentlemen:

The Nation's top scientists have presented the "Critical Decade" Report to the Parliament bringing together some of the best and most recent science into climate change, its effects on Australia, and outlining how important it is to act now.

How many Coalition members of Parliament bothered to turn up to be briefed by our top scientists? Just three. Certainly not Tony Abbott.

It's little wonder that Tony Abbott continues to spread his misinformation campaign when he won't even take the time to get briefed with the facts and figures properly. If the Opposition won't even listen to what scientists are telling us, how could anyone expect them to have a proper plan to act on climate change.

I'll leave you gentlemen to your opinions. You're entitled to them.
Enjoy your discussions with each other. You have much in common.

Lexi,

The government hand picked the scientists that were not only versed in the field but held similar political views on the subject.

There was nothing new in their presentation, so why bother to turn up to a cut and paste party political broadcast.

I also noticed that once again, you avoided quantifying what the effect will be on global emissions if Australia implements a carbon tax.

Lexi, no need to go to parliament, the CSIRO has just published a free
book online, explaining everything, for anyone who wants to read it.

You miss the point entirely. Even if climate change is real, the question
of what to do about it, is another matter. As we have seen in your very own case,
you'll only act when there are $ in your pocket, subsidised by others.

So who will pay for your expenses? Amongst others, farmers of course.
Processing of meat and other exports, takes alot of power. Fuel to
grow crops, all required. The farm institute calculates that if
the carbon price is set at 36$, it will cost farmers around 20% of
their net income, to pay for all the indirect charges, passed on to
them. Unlike you, farmers cannot pass on those costs, overseas
markets won't wear it.

So pontificating about a levy is easy for you, fair enough.

Dear Yabby,

Talking about farmers...

This entire discussion is like putting a donkey in front of a cow,
one is braying, and the other one is mooing. Neither one speaks the same language.

We elect a government which forms policies in the interest of the majority - that's why there are elections if we're not happy with the final outcomes.

Our solar panels were our contribution to minimise carbon pollution. We contribute more to the electrical grid than we take out. Money was not an issue. After all the government demonstrated its concern about climate change by offering solar panels to the public. That's a first step - for many people.

BTW: I doubt that the government would be so insensitive as to punish Australia's food producers. They are offering off-sets to those in need which includes farmers. It would be sheer insanity to force farmers off the land and rely on food imports from overseas.

Misinformation and fear mongering are not very good ploys politically
because after a while people get tired of listening to the same old
rant. Check out facebook to see what others are saying about the
Opposition's stance on climate change and on Tony Abbott.