Lexi

I am sure you were pleased to hear that John Hewson has added his voice of dissent to the far-right of the Libs.

And I AM sick of hearing Abbott's voice. Now he is calling for another election! Unbelievable. Not even big business is listening to him, instead they want to know how much of a carbon tax.

Won't be $40/ton but it will be a start. Even the Conservative Coalition Brits have a Carbon Tax, bringing them into line with the rest of the EU.

As for India and China, in addition to their rush into industrialisation, they are also investing and building clean renewable energy sources, in order to make the inevitable transition easier.

Hopefully, Australia won't be the last guy left peeing in the pool.

*This entire discussion is like putting a donkey in front of a cow,
one is braying, and the other one is mooing.*

Maybe for you Lexi, not for me. As a farmer, I am very good at
separating wheat from chaff :)

I remind you, on OLO I consistently put a viewpoint about policies,
not parties. I criticise them all, when they deserve it and show
me anywhere, where I have ever claimed to be an Abbott supporter.

Fact is, not only were your panels subidised, fair enough. You sell
power to the grid for around 40c, then buy it back for 20c. I
should hope that you contribute to the cost of the grid, it costs
money to keep all those poles and systems ticking ready for your
use. The pv panel scheme, set up as it is right now, is nothing
but a Ponzi scheme, where a few are subsidised by the rest.

You are of course free to install solar hot water heating at any
time, but its not the same kind of Ponzi scheme as the PV panels.
No wonder Govts have had to put a break on things, as people
hopped aboard in far bigger numbers then they had ever imagined.

*They are offering off-sets to those in need which includes farmers.*

They have offered no such thing, simply stated that they won't
tax farting cattle and sheep. Industry will wear extra processing
costs, so industry passes them on to farmers, who are at the end
of the chain. Farmers lose. Farmers don't have enough votes to
swing elections either. So the tyranny of the majority rules.

I don't care what others are saying about Abbott or anyone else.
I am basing my claims on the evidence available. Logic and
reason should prevail, over your arguing cows and donkeys.
Speak for yourself :)

Dear Ammonite,

John Hewson, Malcolm Turnbull, even John Howard and Malcolm Fraser support the carbon tax. The whole issue of the Opposition's stance on the carbon tax is to spread misinformation and fear mongering so that
Tony Abbott can keep on desperately demanding an election. The guy's delusional if he thinks that 9 months after the last election - Australia is seriously prepared to want another one, especially with him as leader.

I believe that Tony Abbott's the one who pees not only in his own pool, but now he wants to pee in everybody else's.

Dear Yabby,

The art of reasoned, intelligent argument is a skill not easily acquired. Sound reasoning will conquer unreasonable generalisations every time. An imperative point to remember is to always know your topic and not argue on an emotional level - but a mature, intelligent one. However you musn't sound too dogmatic. If you don't listen to the other person's opinion you will be deemed pig-headed and will subsequently be ignored. And finally, a minor admission should not make you sound weak, but rather less obstinate.

One final point, no one likes, or supports an abusive, illogical debater.

Hope this helps.

Dear Lexi,

You are quite correct. Now apply those points to your own debating
skills and you might be making some progress.

Arguments like "Malcolm Fraser thinks its a good thing, so it must
be" are hardly logical.

Now please address the points that I have raised, in a logical way.

cont'd ...

BTW - coming from a farming background myself - I appreciate your being able to tell the difference between wheat and chaff. But can you tell the difference between sheep and goats? ;-)