Yabby,

I've been trying to get out of this thread for some time. Only because I don't think that anything constructive will be achieved by my continuing to present further arguments on the subject. That's why I presented the donkey and cow scenario - you can't convince people once they've made up their minds - and as I stated earlier - I'm not interested in a slanging match.

BTW - the WA Farmer's Federation has thrown its support behind the Federal Government's proposed carbon tax. Senior Vice President- Dale Park says a warming planet is more of a concern to farmers than a carbon tax. (It seems that farmers rely on climate ;-) )

As Mr Park stresses - "If you don't do anything about it - you're going to keep adapting to a higher and higher temperature."

Some people tend to look at long-term consequences rather than short-term ones. It's a matter of priorities, I guess. I full understand your point of view.

http://www.nff.org.au/read/2085/carbon-tax-cripple-nations-farming-sector.html

Lexi, perhaps Dale Park was not aware at the time, that this could
slug farmers up to 36'000$ per farm. If farmers are slugged that
amount, why arn't librarians and architects slugged for the same?

But the issue remains, is it all a feelgood exercise or will it make
a difference? Nobody on OLO has been more vocal about the fact
that we are adding a quarter of a million extra people a day to
the planet, which is the giant elephant in the room. I have once
again raised the point recently, that Australia still does not fund
family planning in the third world, despite the 4 billion $ a year that
we spend. Religion still has its influence in our parliament.

These are global issues that need addressing. Charging a feelgood tax,
which then alot of traders can make money from, is hardly a real
solution.

Encourage people to install solar hot water, encourage people to buy
LED tvs rather then Plasmas, encourage people to install PV panels
without Ponzi tariff subsidies. Encrourage people to hang their
washing in the sunshine rather then a dryer. Encourage good home
insulation. But don't be fooled that a feelgood tax will solve
anything apart from making you feel good.

Taxing farmers 36 Grand is hardly a solution to anything either.

Lexi,

I am looking forward to you actually posting a rational argument for a carbon tax rather than once again restating your position.

The single fatal flaw in the pro tax argument is that it will have no effect without a global agreement. No one has yet addressed this, preferring to avoid the issue. Until someone can show a connection between our implementing a tax and the rest of the world doing so, the tax is ineffective.

guilt will do funny[sad]..things
blind us to even hearing the acusation
[im not infuring guilt..only quoting a sim-u-lie]

the big point today seems to be our
carbon dioxide..*creation..*has hit an all time high..*

with industry producing them nice solar
and wind stuff..thats little supprising

thing is that we
collectivly...create too much
yet this tax is a blind instrument..

not targeting the big users
[in fact giving them free solar cells...
and then extra income on top via a rebate...lol

?...how many
with free solar cells
have ACTUALLY used..*less power..in total..?

its the smoking scam all over again
just like this attack on gamblers
guilt..[it works a treat]..
just like religion

if you pay for your 'indulgences'...
your not indulging...lol..guilty logic

unless your of the sort
who uses daytime power from solar...[which they arnt...!

its on 'sold'
to electTRICK companies,..
and they still feed off..the coal power]..24/7...

[or else why pay you for it...[GET IT?]

you high and mighty
holier than thou kate blank/cheques of the world
still are using coal power...!..

[if your getting
*a feedback tarrif rate..!]

see proper solar
*would need to be OFFLINE..*
need to be..storing ALL its own power[on site]

*BUT IT DONT..

[to wit..its a feel-good SCAM*]
so the big/users..get big offsets
WITHOUT REDUCING* THEIR overuse/abUSE..

ohhh soooo clever
the hide..of those
sharing collective guilt
then casting stones at smokers/or 'deniers'

talk about being in denial
lol

little wonder you want to leave
leave it for us paying for it all
replacing the infastructure..WHILE PAYING YOU TOO

SM,

You're now in favour of a global agreement? That's interesting. Go back and re-read your response to me when I posted on this very subject. You brushed it aside with, "it will make no difference to global emissions." Sorry, I'm no longer interested in continuing this discussion - and I can no longer take you seriously. However, that's allright because I understand that not everyone adheres to the same beliefs and wants the same outcomes.

Dear Yabby,

The WA Farmer Federation's support for the carbon tax is very recent. Google it for yourself to get the full story. See you on another thread.