http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/climate-change/carbon-price-shock-now-its-40-tonne-20110516-1epxo.html?from=smh_ft

Only at or above $40/t does anything other than coal based generation become commercially viable. This means that until this threshold is reached, there is no incentive to change, and that a carbon tax will not change reduce emissions other than close Australian manufacturing.

Below this point, the only viable gas fired base load or renewables will require government subsidy.

The carbon tax subsidies to households and businesses will simply be a churn of money that is bad economics.

as tony said
THATS ONLY THE STARTING POINT...!

from then its 5 %..plus each year

then to the money changers
who will buy and sell ther LIMITED carbon credits
hoard them..

till we pay..through the nose
to buy it at it their..SPECULATED market price

why ya thibnk turncoat/bull
wants the new tradeable comm-odity for?

they want one we MUST BUY
that reduces its cap every year

AND WONT CHANGE A THING for 1000 years

how else is wayne going into 'surplus'
12 billion carbon fraud credits
[at %2o ton]

or just under...$30 billion
hey what you think

the wbankers see huge bonus
the grenies se their industies getting bail;outs[read govt cash]

the petolium subsidy to big coal/gas..[12 billion]
hey we got $50 billion..[except the mates get to keep their 12x billion subsidy

just as we will retain
the EVER INCREASING TAX..ON BREATHING

and the miners making methane
and farmers making nitrouse oxide
get more petro carbon subsidies....business as use-you-all

The introduction of a carbon tax has one purpose... generate the funds to reduce the deficit. Then they will claim they have achieved two goals. Swann is the idiot who thinks a set-top box costs $350. He's totally out of touch. How can we trust any figures the Labour party produces when they have proven they can't even manage a roof insulation program. If they are so confident this is a good idea and if they still believe in democracy (which I doubt they do) then put this to the people to vote on.

Brilliant OUG.

Specially loved the Use-you-all. How do you constantly come up with the clever word play?

"THE Gillard Government is full of hot air when it comes to slashing greenhouse gases - just two of 20 Cabinet ministers have fuel-efficient hybrid cars."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/gillard-government-opts-for-gas-guzzling-vehicles/story-e6frf7jo-1226057837660

Yet another case of "Do what I say not what I do" by Juliar.

The Shadow said;
The carbon tax subsidies to households and businesses will simply be a
churn of money that is bad economics.

Not really, think of all those public service money shufflers that will
find "useful" employment !

It could all fall apart if on 2nd August the US doesn't lift their
borrowing limit. It might also fall apart if they do,
BTW they got it back to the 2nd August by creative accounting.
They did not pay into the employee retirement fund, put off to August.

I think that where Wayne Swanne has been learning his trade.