Belly,

The acrimony and sabre-rattling that regularly passes between Iran and the West is to a degree a consequence of British and, particularly U.S., interference in 1953. The Islamic state was born as a consequence.

It's a mere a blink of an eye time-wise as far as the history of the middle-east goes.

"...clean as driven snow anti Americans in the middle-east."

Would you feel particularly pro-anybody who regularly came stomping through your vegie patch brandishing a big stick?

Poirot,

The US overthrew the democratically-elected government of Mossadegh, and re-installed the Shah. The left in their naivete forged an alliance with the Islamists in 1978-79 and indirectly helped install a theocratic state, after which they were butchered. The US did not play a role in overthrowing the Shah and installing a more reactionary theocracy.

So perhaps you are drawing a long bow to attribute the success of the ayatollahs to the US: I think it would come as a surprise to all parties concerned :)

Joe

Loudmouth,

I wasn't insinuating that the U.S. overthrew the Shah...how stupid would that have been (after going to all the trouble to install him).

I was, however, alluding to the fact that the ayatollahs gained ascendancy in response, and as a counter agent, to the Shah being a puppet of the U.S.

The world has been stomping in and around Arab states forever.
Once the Ottoman Empire even.
Country's such as Lebanon tell that story.
Again and again the maps have been redrawn those in control change but I refuse to fall for the American excuse, that this part of the world can blame America for its problems.
I await answers for a few questions.
Is it not true much of the pain and hunger, suffering and discrimination comes courtesy of a religion more in every day control than any?
Are lies said to be not just ok but to be used against us who are not followers of that God, even in His Holly books.
Can any one tell me America treats its people as bad as some are treated here.
Or lies any more than this part of the world.
This world will never be perfect.
Our choice is simple, take the best path for humanity and the best of an imperfect world.
But to harvest the wrongs of one side, to activly look for them, while ignoring the others is self deception.

Belly,

Yes, you are right that the middle-east has experienced many upheavals throughout history.
And what do you want me to say about the imperialist conduct of Britain and France...before America it was those two colonialist countries who stomped around this region...yes again.

Wherever the shadow of Empire falls the vanquished will suffer...yep, that's pretty much the way it goes.

But don't make out, as America does, that it's all the result of altruistic intention. They are merely helping themselves because they can - might is right n'all that.

belly maaaate
i done gone and changed my writing style 4 times

everytime i get banned..
i create a new style..[under the same id...!]

i am,..what those who complained
about me...have made me

mate you write in small sentances
i sort of picked it up from you

now i too write sentances[cause like you i dont know how to use those grade 3 skills..like comma...or exclamation points...or "..or '
or why :...not this..'':''..mate i got no clue..[just like you]

mate we are luckey
we post the stuff..we do post

you dont get my 'style'
and i dont get what your saying a lot of the time
but at least now i hope we have learned to post nice
[lets face it without others opinions...our opinions get a little stale]

now see you would put that same sentance
and chose a different word[for me the words we chose..reveal more than what we actually are saying...

a hint..sentance...is not the same as sentanence
and because even sentanance..is likely to be spelled wrong to
you are luckey to get what you get...[a reply]..that allows the origonal toopic or subject..to be better grokked

[that is a word not in spell check
it means to completly and uttterly grasp
..the truth..completness[essence].,,.of that groked...

do you..[grok?]

we live in amasing times
i fuigure even a fool can teach the most clever man
[who only got clever..by listening[hearing..reading what was wrote]

then using what he learned
to best affect..[not effect]

when you say my writing 'makes sense'
is when we are in accord..[agree]
saying the same thing.[on the same side]

but when i drift off that..you grasp..[grokk]
you feel its gibberish...cause your
supposed to use..the image
the word used..puts in your mind

see our minds are either recieving input
or putting out energies
[your too busy listening to the inner voice
for the outside words to get their logic in]

other than that when i quote others
i clarify how i see the words quoted]

but they wrote
the words propper..!

so in quoting them i use proper english
unless they are talking giberish esperanto