The USA/Israel have never fosted democracy in the Middle East.They have always set up dictators like Murbarak and their regiemes Steven.The head was removed but the infrastructure of nepotism is still there sucking the US tax payer dry.

Arjay,

Has it ever occurred to you that the class structure, the abuse of the rule of law, the lack of human rights and opportunities, and the glaring example on TV etc. of the West before the eyes of the people of the Middle East - all of these might have some bearing on how people act ?

In other words, that - in addition to the US and the Israelis stirring the possum - many of the people of the Middle East are NOT puppets of anybody, that they are rising up endogenously, responding to internal factors ?

Not everybody dances the tunes of the US :)

Joe

Loudmouth Joe just as we do not know one another we do not know who arjay is and what drives him.
Could be interesting to know, but many no longer look for balance and understanding from some.
If indeed America drives/controls the middle east they have done so very badly.

and the destruction of lifta

http://www.google.com/search?q=lifta+israel

it[that]...'lifta'..should be on the world herriyage list
[protected]

good to see belly has an open mind

""we do not know who arjay is
and what drives him.

Could be interesting to know,
but many no longer look for balance and understanding..""

""..from some.""

yes indeed many think covering over the truth
is good enough[just like honouring god only with our lips
not our heart and works

charity is more important
than love[especially perverted 'loves'..like power or money]

""If indeed America drives/controls
the middle east they have done so very badly.""

well we must not forget
that 'some'..would like to see the arabs
driven back into the wilderness..[the self same wilderness MOSUS himself never was able to leave

none of the old were let into the holy lands
only the children..indocrinated on the exodus

[the hitler youth type motivated...radicalised energy ...
radicaliasm..of youth...incading palestein...again]

we must not ignore that the true aim
extends beyond oil/minerals/metals..drugs
its about keeping the 'macabees'...at heal..[under heal]

its about subverting forgivness of the past
about an eye for an eye..regardless who's eye

Loudmouth the USA gives $3 billion pa to Egypt.It corrupts the Govt.Much of this money is used to subdue their own people.Cheap labor for corp factories and the secret police + military to keep the lid on oppression.

Behind the US Govt are the Global Central Banks.They tell Congress when and how high to jump.

OUG I just can not ignore the quality of that post,with others of yours.
Better much better.
I have to confront myself too.
In this thread and others, I let myself forget all views, even ones I consider quite wrong, have value.
See I see Xenophobia not just in racism against minority's or those we do not like as bad always, and I see it in action against America here.
I am totally baffled ,stunned, that ANY ONE can see so much wrong with America.
Yet fail to see the other side of the coin.
America DID, once put its dictators in power, or more likely prop them up and help them gain power.
I suspect it is no longer policy to do so, remember some of this part of the worlds leaders had 40 years in power.
If America held the strings,was the puppet master claimed here, an Islamic republic would not be a possibility, it however is.
No colonial power I know of did not act as you and Arjay say America has.
The coming new world leaders, like it or not in financial matters at least,China is deep in its self interest right now buying and selling nations with aid.
If we blink, if we buy the west is evil everyone else victims trash, we are fooling our selves.
I truly think no country ever acts other than in its own interests.
And that diplomacy is the art of telling lies in the name of self interest.