Thankyou OUG, shuddup Leap. :P

The more I think about it the more I don’t understand why Christians allowed themselves to set this kind of precedent because next a Muslim NGO will start fostering kids and find Christians have already fought and won a battle that will allow them to reject all Christian foster parents that apply to their agency.

Reminder: I don’t mind Muslims fostering it’s just an example I’m using.

Isn’t it the government’s job to stop this from happening in a society that supports the right of different belief systems to exist?

Interesting stuff OUG, I read them, one link didn’t work. I’m going out catching yabbies with my girl now and try not thinking about what a mess everything is. I might be a little weak because I’ve noticed the more I think about what I understand is happening and what I’ve seen happen to children here I start feeling sick.

jewel quote""I’m going out catching yabbies with my girl now and try not thinking about what a mess everything is."'

thats the only way to bring change
[real change is only within]

people thing this place can be heaven..but in thinking so dont reralise this place's role..in the great sceme of things

this place is more like a prison
or a sandbox...its where spirits come to release passions
[or discover passions]..its the fix all between perfect loving heaven..and perfect hell..for the legiimatly dangerously..insane

here any 'damage we individually can do..is strictly limited
[im not sure how the mass murder by atom bomb fits it..but appriciate the sheer destructive mass hasnt had a repeat][and feel thats made deliberastly so][by design not accident]

""I might be a little weak because I’ve noticed the more I think about what I understand is happening and what I’ve seen happen to children here the more I start feeling sick.""

you are certainly not alone in this jewel
[only know..it is so ingrained in our human condition
so generational..so addictive...[that often the victims become oppressor]

[it relates to the links..in that phycopaths are created[its a learned response..where the fearfull and weak..get addicted to what they percieve their new powers..but has such 'satisfaction once aquired...the weak lack any self control..to end it...

[think like adenolin junkies]

its not a matter of why Christians allowed themselves to set this kind of precedent because these things trancend simple religious beliefs..[plus its not as if the were the one to allow or forbid

so what if say a Muslim NGO..will start fostering kids
it matters..how much the kids are helped[or potentiaslly damaged]

its really SUPPOSED to be..about the kids]

""Isn’t it the government’s job""
strictly speaking..its a policing..and community busy/body..issue

but they been destracted..by chasing kids with drugs[etc]
or sitting..on a speed revenue-raising trap..
or sitting-on their bum..in court's

[ie..given make work..to stop them policing for real/crime]
in truth..i feel the kids..should be moniterd by automated/computer..monitoring...24/7

measuring their fear response..
with ..instant overwelming response/mandated
..to/for...by community and police..[by law]..

upon the computer indicating
help is needed....immediatly
*NOW

Jewely
>"We need them to do their job which is to care and protect all children and improve their own services, not pass the buck."

Good luck with that.

Yes the fact is there is no substitute for parental love, and church, state, and NGO organisations have problems which cannot be fixed up. I reject the presumption that the government necessarily makes things better than worse, which indeed DoCS has never tried to prove. They, like you and everyone else, just assume that if there's a problem, *therefore* government must be able to make a worthwhile improvement. But I question that. Fact is, bureaucracies cannot provide parental responsibility better than any but the absolute worst cases.

(PS It is not really fair to call NGOs by that name, since if their entire funding comes from government, they are not *non*-governmental organisations, are they?)

OUG:”so what if say a Muslim NGO..will start fostering kids
it matters..how much the kids are helped[or potentiaslly damaged]
its really SUPPOSED to be..about the kids]”

True, I’ve found that people don’t think about helping the kids but if you can find the right argument that affects them then it can help kids by coincidence. Damn sad really.

Would be nice if legally there were more facts required before the removal of a child, and if lawyers were all equal and parents could afford the same kind that government funds make accessible. If real police work was done prior to children being taken from families and the people accused first charged and able to defend themselves in a court of law. Once a child is in care proper and responsible monitoring would be literally a life saver.

Hey Peter, they call themselves NGO’s – I don’t believe it is fair to refer to them as not-for-profits either but they make all the rules.

Problem is that no one let or demanded the government make it better before passing it on over to the NGO’s (who have always had their hand in) and lord only knows where any proof was found that they could be considered an improvement.

Parental responsibility being taken from biological parents has been happening for a long long time and it has created damaged young people for a long long time. What I was attempting AGAIN to point out is that in no way is it going to improve with the systems currently in place and that quite recently the system again proved itself to be failing by allowing NGO’s to run state business in a discriminatory way which is against the states own policy.

The only thing that hasn’t been attempted in Australia’s incredibly tragic history of caring for state wards is actually letting the state handle it without NGO interference.

Shame on both sides for prolonging this destraction. [ALL LIFE COMES FROM GOD ] [one crea.....OUG...Do you remember your first post to on line opinion?

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=7360#113575

Dont mess with me my friend.....coz you have No-idea of whom your dealing with. I personally, am concerned about your mental health. I will apologize for not reading into the points your trying to make. However after careful consideration, I feel you need to talk to someone about whats bothering you on a scale Iam not qualified to advise you.

Please take care.

LEAP

jewel...you musnt let the vile get to you
you have done much good...
[you can only help where you find
the fruits of the vile..are still doing their hurt]..

regardless of the hurt's cause's
[be they karmic malice or deliberated injury]

we must get away from the hurting..
and get into the healing

thats where you do your thing
you are the love..you are better in just doing the love

others..[not that good at healing..[loving]..like me]
can assume the other burdens..your only expected to heal those who come to you hurt..

its only if you deney helping..[which you dont!]..
that any stain could taint your soul..

even so no one is perfect
[ok only one...'god']

we are ALL..doing the best that we can
dont judge an unfinished work]

[even the most vile...still can earn credit to the good]

every good
has its good rewards..

[its never too late to reject hurting others]

god loves a repentant sinner
[recall the words..'all is forgiven
..go and sin no more']

its not your duty to end it jewel
only to do the love you so clearly do

judging no-one..
[as we judge others are we too adjudged]

but we both know..thats not in you
[or if it is your succesfully resisting it doing its vile]

im not that strong

if i feel..one is supporting*..the doing of a bad..
i share it right back at the source...

anyhow stay stong

next...the boy with the burr in his fur