Don't forget that DoCS has by far the worst standard of parental responsibility in the community, whatever measure you go by: placement breakdowns, teenage pregnancy, illiteracy, mental health, etc. etc. etc, - whether compared to the standard of natural parents, or of so-called NGOs.

DoCS doesn't even comply with the standards that it dictates as compulsory for all the other agencies. In about 2001 they gave themselves - wait for it - 12 years to come up to scratch. Time is running out, and they still don't comply, notwithstanding the billions poured down this bureaucratic black hole. But don't worry- they've got lots of flex leave, holiday leave, family leave, study leave, community service leave, Aboriginal leave, purchased leave, extended leave, sick leave and what have you.

So to assume that government has some kind of moral superiority in setting standards for parental responsibility, or child protection, is a joke.

This is not to knock individual foster carers, many of whom do a great job; but I doubt the general standard of parental responsibility in state care as a whole is higher now than it was in the bad old days of state orphanages and reform schools.

It's not as though state care does *not* involve discrimination, since every human action necessarily does.

For example, the state does not "discriminate" against de facto and step-parenting marriages, even though the rates of child abuse in such relationships are significantly higher than in natural-parent families. What makes anyone think the state is presumptively wiser or better at doing what families do?

DoCS doesn’t have a far worse standard of care Peter, it’s just the one that makes the headlines as the “Lead agency”. They do have a much larger job than monitoring their own Out of Home Care services.

But part of this problem is of course that DoCS does need improve and not pander or be bullied by the NGO sector along the way. Not sure I’d go complaining about the govt types of leave that staff have when we have companies with not-for-profit tax status paying their staff higher salaries and all the benefits that come with being so comfortably funded by the government.

Nope I don’t for one minute think government morally superior but they are the only ones we’ve got who work under the act. We need them to do their job which is to care and protect all children and improve their own services, not pass the buck.

If the rates are significantly higher in those homes you will probably find the state has removed more children from homes just like them. This is part of what DoCS do that has nothing to do with the private sector although the NGO’s increased roles in early intervention probably means they can easily advise DoCS that children should be removed into their care, a little inter-agency perk being able to pick your new clients and another flaw in the system where the private sector can profit from their own failure.

Those bad old days weren’t just about state orphanages and if you read stories of The Forgotten and The Stolen you will find church run institutions in most beaten, raped and damaged lives. Those bad old days never left and it is still happening to children now.

If NGO’s were removed from foster care completely and given the support services and early intervention we might actually finally have some decent advocates for children and families.

I strayed a bit there.

I’m more interested in whether we believe it is acceptable for a public service to tolerate its sub-contractors following their own private agendas in an area that is about appropriate care for all children.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/uk-high-court-upholds-bar-on-christian-foster-parents-over-homosexual-views-49219/
“The judges argued that there had been no religious discrimination against the Johns because they had been excluded from the fostering application process as a result of their moral views on sexual ethics rather than their Christian beliefs.
They added that the right to manifest religious belief outlined in the European Human Rights Act was only a “qualified” right, particularly where it concerned potential carers who wish to manifest a belief that is “inimical” to the interests of children.

Are we getting it wrong down under?

i will ignore the getting it wrong down-under bit
and reply the ngo thing is just going back to how it was
[before the church got kids for their priestly pleasure]
now its that ngo

its quite clecver really
before the perverts only needed a 'clean skin'
to become a foster parent..but then
they had to watch out for govt workers

now its just an ngo
child perversiion perverts can sit openly on the board
do as they like..just like in the good old boy days gone by
when the church did their perversions

its hard to stress out about these things
[its weell known homo couples get more money than a married couple
they seem to have plenty of disposable company..and now can get a pet[child]..whenever they want

you must realise these people are far ahead of us
too clever..they have been playing at satisfying their perversions for ever..even if the last perversion stoped today

they still got the karma to life in their next life
ie to get back as they gave..to taste the oppisite of that they did to others..[to be a victim this time]

there is a true accounting
for everything we each of us do
we might fool others

but we cant fool the guilt/shame..
we CHOSE to heap into our souls

just be the love
give it freely

never try to steal it
it will always be paid..repaid..in full

[we can only con ourselves in the end]
the foolers ..[those who think to fool others]..

are the real fools..
[in the end]

"im not sure if your only trying to be ignorant blue[leaper]"....lol..well clap, clap for the handy-capped:) Although I find this in my mind incredibly funny, what Jewely is pointing out, is far from a joke, that the GOOD OLD DAYS has not be addressed and if any thing...The bad new days....has increased ten fold, with the sexualisations that appears all over the broad-casting net-works. Add that with a higher density population of human -beings..........and OUG.....what do you think the out comes will be?...........And if you dont answer......your just a tool:) I,ve had first hand knowledge with the departments, and let me tell you............there far from getting it right as to where it comes to common-sense.

I have quickly just typed this in......but when said higher upper levels just parasite on others......you believe it.

LEAP

quote the cheap leap creap""and OUG.....what do you think the out comes will be?...........And if you dont answer......your just a tool:)""

i dont expect ANYTHING to change

i been trying to change govts permitting public servants
to do their business as usual..for too long..to expect anything to change

we can change govt[between the parties]
but the public service runs the two party system
ie.. we keep the same public servants..doin their same games

from within govt
as well within the party systems

i would like to see the higher levels
of public service retired immediatly

...anything abouve desk staff is suspect
the public ser-vice needs to be held to account

immediatly

""I,ve had first hand knowledge with the departments, and let me tell you............there far from getting it right as to where it comes to common-sense.""

the public service is about serving the service
not the public

""I have quickly just typed this in......but when said higher upper levels just parasite on others......you believe it.""'

its not a thing i believe
i just sadly know the truth about how things
are made to workout for some..and never workout for others

i have seen too much in this life
i know that the vile..[in the end]..only hurt themselves
we are here but for a brief time..just enough time to generate enough karmic rope...to hang ourselves..on our own petard..

no one judges us in the next stage of life
but we are auto sorted..by the things we love

those loving to muder go to the room of perpetual muder
murdering only each other

those liking to hurt kiddies
go to the kiddy room..where the kiddies only hurt their other 'kiddies'..for eternity..[talk about hell..you get as you gave]

[its said
be carefull of what you chose to love..
because the next life is about doing..only that you 'love' for eternity

more will be given
both sides of the coin
knowing the vile

*can only hurt the vile