LM:”Learn or earn, or go to buggery.”

Yes, let’s call it Buggery Island.

Leap:”The new generations have to been redirected now, before the problem continues”

I seemed to have missed the problem/point of what we are discussing here. What exactly is the issue with welfare? Are all types of beneficiaries included? Family Assistance as well? There’s other compensations for many of life’s little hiccups here I believe which probably explains why everything you touch or even glance at has some sort of tax or perpetual govt fee associated with it.

This is a country where you pay a fee indefinitely for having ownership or a turtle or a personalised number plate. Appears a strange cycle – make it so expensive to live so that you need more money while on a benefit so more people are on benefits which means govt must charge extra fees for everything so people on welfare can afford life in Aussie.

Suzy’s comment brings to mind something I have struck here and found quite shocking when talking to locals – everything is shameful and looked down on. If you are unemployed it is shameful, adopted, made a victim in some way, a young mum, immigrant, on the wagon, and the list goes on. So I can imagine if you have been unemployed for awhile you’d become blacklisted in the eyes of many an employer.

But there are training opportunities aren’t there – I’ve found many people only attending tafe to receive the benefit it comes with.

Utter twaddle about no work. We have dozens in our district who hate it, but have to pay dole bludgers cash in hand for a day only at a time, to get any one to work for them..
My wife just happens to work for one of the employment agencies. She is the one who is given the hopeless cases, long term unemployed, & the bludgers.

She is good at seeing which are the bludgers, & has no trouble getting those who want to work back into employment. She says those who got there by a couple of mistakes are easy, it's the bone idle who can not be helped. They don't see it as help of course, just interference in their easy life style.

Quantum she can get anyone who will work a job, although perhaps not a soft cop academic one.

If you are right about these yobbos who will rip off anyone, then it's time for the three strikes principal. If they won't work in society, they have no place in it, & should not be supported. We don't need an island, although Tassie worked in the past, a nice big POW type enclosure, in the middle of the Simpson desert should do nicely. The more unpleasant the better, & it will work as a deterrent.

Just to get it right, a few Indonesian gaol governors could be brought in to manage the places.

then there,s this by Sue!

"People who haven't been employed for some time may genuinely not be able to find employment, eg longterm unemployed, ex-criminals, previous jail incarceration, those with previous mental illnesses, people with poor English, immigrants, Aboriginals (sad but true) and even people that look 'different' or 'threatening, such as people with multiple tattoos or piercings etc."


These people are the one,s that will never have a real chance at anything, and all those tatoo,s and ear piercings are businesses that help this problem move right along.

And this....Sure, we can send these people to all the 'courses' we want to, but many will still continue to be unattractive to prospective employers for many reasons.

"Maybe if the Government itself took on these people to attend to Government funded employment, it may help some of these people.
I won't hold my breath though."
Posted by suzeonline, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 11:49:06 AM

That Sue, was the only helpful view post, that I liked.

So in contrast, you all really know whats going on, so wouldn't be pointing the blame at anyone since all know the three levels of our society and how it works each other.

Yes....I know....A perfect world doesn't make any money. Its just as well ignorance is for free.

This unemployed mess is all part of the game, and you know it.

Greed....Greed....Greedier............and some thought there was NO price to pay......How about now.

LEA

Jewely.

LM:”Learn or earn, or go to buggery.”

Yes, let’s call it Buggery Island.

Leap:”The new generations have to been redirected now, before the problem continues”

Thank-you for hi-lighting the multy problematic understandings that social-engineers have with growing populations, with the lack of infrastructure which as i see it, people are basically grown as cattle in order to save a troubled economy. Most here have tried to give intelligent imputs to for the problems, however Iam not sure about Hasbeens ideas:)

Problem 1

There,s an old saying that goes....you cant teach an old dog new tricks, and there,s a good amount truth to it. If one has grown up where a safety, the reaction is the same as taking candy from a baby, isn't it....however, I still believe that system changes must happen when one is with-in the boundaries of the non corrupted. I mean, if one is unaware of a faulting/incompetent foreseeability, then time to mould is a there for the under-taking.

Problem 2

Big corporations also have a hand in how our children think and behave. Just try and separate one now-days from Play-station, too macdoogles........and Loadmouth as suggested telling them to go on the harvest trail...lol....good-luck with that:) Big corporations have dumb-ed down any hope of trying to get anyone, let-alone child for getting motivated for a day of hard work..... The Government tax mob/economies and business wants us to go one-way, then the unemployed numbers/center-link figures show that the ones between the two meat-grinders are simply justifying that we all really know, and that greedy people in high-places knew what was going on, and the population is still increasing with more unemployed still to come at the end of the year................where are they all going to go?

LEAP

Well, Suze, every year it seems that fruit-growers are screaming out for labour when the picking season comes around. I do stress 'able-bodied' unemployed, people who are able and free enough to look for work where it may be.

My point about 'learning or earning' was just that - if people don't want to be stuck with the hard jobs, the boring, dirty, out-of-doors, physically demanding, often dangerous, jobs, then they train up, in GENUINE courses at TAFE or uni, in the sorts of jobs that ARE available.

The underlying principle should surely be that nobody should waste their lives doing absolutely nothing but dodging work, scrounging for this welfare payment or that. And they don't have to. So 'welfare', as distinct from pensions, is conditional and (should be) temporary, while they are studying, or genuinely seeking work.

I am uneasy about the threat posed in your question: "Imagine the massive increase in crime in this country if we denied people welfare?" In Aboriginal parlance, this is called humbugging. On a grand scale, Suze.

Are you actually suggesting that people on welfare might be inclined to turn to crime on a massively-increased scale if they don't get their fortnightly cheque - money that some poor b@stards have done overtime in a dirty, dangerous, boring factory job to earn, to pay taxes that these 'lords of the earth' have some unassailed right to ?

Sort of blackmail, Suze ? Stand-over tactics ?

By all means, improve TAFE and other training agencies, so that NOBODY is doing a bullsh!t course that gets them nowhere - and they know it - but only courses which provide real skills.

So in answer to your outrageous question: do the crime, do the time. Or learn and earn.

Joe

Loudmouth...you have No idea my friend, the disparity between the rich and the poor has grown substantially, and you want to take it to a new level....lol.....mate! There are 185.000 plus drug addicts just in QLD, and you want to take all the money off them....lol....your a fool mate. You will be putting everyone at risk. They will be needing their fix......where do you think they will be looking for it...?

And heres a another great insight from Loudmouth....So in answer to your outrageous question: do the crime, do the time. Or learn and earn.

And its that easy..lol...jails are full now as it is, where are you going to put them then?

Overpopulation of any species is a death sentence for any society of beings, so I,ll pretend that your just having a bad day.

LEA