You really believe all that mumbo-jumbo dont you Joe:) Yes I agree that it will work for egumakaied, however public educational policies dont carter for the slaves, ( I mean someone has to wash the dishies, and could you imagine everyone with your ED,s Joe, I guess we,ll all draw numbers out of a hat, just to see who gets there hands dirty:) ) and whats more..... there's 30 to 35 per class Joe, and the wings all-fairness dont spread that far. It doesn't matter what you say my friend, just look at the bigger picture which will make you count the heads. The system only works for the smart Joe......what about the rest.

23 million in Australia Joe and counting:)

Another 240.000 plus job seekers at the end of next year Joe, I guess your,ve got jobs for them as well:)....lol....It must be nice on your planet:)

Human nature is now in Question.

LEAP

"But we took any job, any pay, rather than be hungry.......well Belly....any pay...any Job.....just wont cut it, and you know it:/ Spoken like a true fascist...........Too many people and next to no Infrastructurals to cater for them......get both your heads out of your bums, and see the BAD managements of this system. ( breeding people so you can pick n choose )( plus the see-though bin-aid solutions you cant hide any-more )

Socialism ( Thats where all get there fair share from what the land gives to all living things, and just not the RICH:/! Your system is just trying to keep all, "thats fail them" busy while you all scratch your heads to the F..k-up that you both know is the truth.

Now Joe......I will have to take another minuet:(

LEAP

Well, QL, I don't think class size makes much difference, up to a point: after the salt mines but before I worked in factories, I was a primary school teacher for a very short time, with mixed classes of 49 and 41 of Grade IV and V kids. They all passed, by sheer chance.

My own primary schooling was always, always in classes over 40, usually around 48: eight rows of six, and we seemed to do okay - not in flash schools either, schools in Bankstown and Penrith, working-class areas, before we all got sent off to the mines. A class of only 30 kids would have seemed empty, a real breeze for any teacher :)

As for a scarcity of jobs as a population grows, check out Bernard Salt's column today in the Oz on the impact of a retiring Baby-Boomer population on tne economy. You might learn something, with respect, QL.

And to add to what Belly is saying: so many low-skill jobs these days are much less labour-intensive than similar jobs in the past: thirty-odd years ago, fruit-picking meant wandering from tree to tree, up and down those bloody ladders, in the blazing sun, with a bag of fruit hanging around your neck, up and down, back and forth. Try that in 46 degrees. Nowadays, a picker is likely to be sitting on a trailer and being driven under the trees, picking directly into boxes, perhaps under a canopy, and not unloading the trailer by hand but by fork-lift.

So hard labour is nothing like it used to be. Lumping hay meant just that thirty and forty years ago, picking up and heaving bales onto a trailer and somebody else stacking them, all by hand, then unloading and re-stacking them again - nowadays it would be done almost completely mechanically, with one person driving and another person guiding the machinery. In other words, low-skilled labour requires much more skills than it used to, but a lot less grunt.

Stick to the minuet, QL, it's more fun, especially if you can get UB for practising it.

Joe

I see I am keeping bad company here, my time in the land without computers has seen the thread take turns.
13 years old, finally gave up school, about 3 months before the education department gave me that right.
I had been working more than school for 6 months in any case.
Hard mans work for boys wages, as eldest son very big family it was not uncommon.
Burnt charcoal, turning big logs in to charcoal and no machines load and unload by hand.
Went on to load spuds by hand carry sugar up ramps on my shoulder keeping up with the best men.
Carried night soil in Queensland, not yet 18.
The money was clean.
Right now if hard work had not provided the ability to not work, near 66 years old, I would would still.
True Socialism if it ever was to work, would carry no leaches.
As a union official I helped many get a start,first job, foot on the ladder in an industry that will pay them well.
But saw many who refuse to work.
Kid your self if you wish, but every dollar wasted on bad welfare reminds me how much better we could do for the true needy if we stop feeding the greedy.

Well belly and friends..............all,s looking well on your sides of things:).........See you all somewhere else:)

Joe.........I will beat you sooner or later:)

All the best.:)

LEAP

"I will beat you sooner or later:) thats in mind completions:)....just making sure thats all understood:)

As you were.

LEAP:)