Didn't say it would be easy, mate :)

But ask yourself: why should some able-bodied people live off the labour of other people indefinitely ?

Why shouldn't everybody do their share if they can ?

And yes, Marx and even Lenin ("he who does not work, neither shall he eat.") might have been onto something: nobody should live off the labour of others, not those with capital and other assets, not those who stand over their grandmothers, and not those who turn to crime to maintain their idleness.

Learn and earn.

Joe

Dear Mouth:)

"And yes, Marx and even Lenin ("he who does not work, neither shall he eat.")

That only works when there,s a workable population on the commonsensical,s lines of sustainability........not once people are breed like sheep so as the cash registers can ring for upper blessed lucky born Kings and Queens of our "fair GO" society. The Pharaohs had a set rule....."do not educate your slaves" but now because of the greedy one,s, the horse has bolted, so to speak:) The runway train....and everyone's going to try and stop it for repair with ban-aid quick-fixes....lol....birth control is the only option.

Sue-online is the only one that's close to reality, but that will mean the rich will have to take a pay cut to support the funding for her idea...lol....and I don't think we,ll be seeing that any time soon:)

Welfare reform.....lol..........take the wrong rail-track on this, and you will see some rather upset people, after they have been robbed:)AND its you my friend that might be needing some type of reform:)or able to run faster than ever before.LOL You know you should never poke a bee hive:)

Alright jokes aside......Loudmouth, you will get bad apples in any society.......mate, don't let it get you down.....Carma has a way of rewarding all those for there deeds.

LEAP

Leap,

"Karma has a way of rewarding all those for their deeds."

God, I wish that were true, that effort equalled outcome. A corollary of that is: 'no effort, no desirable outcome.' Sounds about right to me, for able-bodied people.

The point is, Leap, and Suze, there IS work around for those who want to do it. I did twelve years or so in unskilled factory and farm work, so maybe I'm the wrong person to involve in a discussion about the legitimacy of free-loading :)

Joe

Leap:”Most here have tried to give intelligent imputs to for the problems, however I am not sure about Hasbeens ideas:)”

I’m not sure that we’d be allowed but he gets my vote. Not because beneficiaries bother me at all but I think more Aussies should be caged in a desert somewhere. :)

Leap: “Big corporations also have a hand in how our children think and behave…”

Hmm… some a direct hand where they are raising our children. Now what do you do with the private sector which makes its money from children – it’s hardly likely to bring forth a generation of hard working and awesome little citizens our country can be proud of but they are certainly trained up to take advantage of some extraordinary amounts of money and attitudes of entitlement due to a short life time of abuse.

“The Government tax mob/economies and business wants us to go one-way, then the unemployed numbers/center-link figures show that the ones between the two meat-grinders are simply justifying that we all really know, and that greedy people in high-places knew what was going on, and the population is still increasing with more unemployed still to come at the end of the year................where are they all going to go?”

I suggest France or Spain... much more casual work ethic going on over yonder.

But I thought as a population grew more goods and services were needed and more jobs created? We’re only a little country population-wise aren’t we?

>>You want them to have food stamps or something?

No 'J', my suggestion is for a special 'debit card' arrangement that can only be used to by necessities.

Now, assuming they receive $450 per fortnight, I must admit, I don't know. Now they can withdraw say $40 in cash from an ATM and that's it.

Then, when a purchase is made the recipient of that sale must keep a receipt for those goods in case of an audit. Perhaps they can be sent them in with their BAS. But that's messy.

>>Seniors: If anybody reaches 65, and meets the assets test, they are entitled to a pension. Period. They've most likely earned it. End of story.
Loudmouth,I'm sorry, but that's where you're wrong. They haven't earned it, someone else has but is told they must now go without due to their wealth.

It's sad to think one has the option to waste their potential savings, and get supported, while those who save, get screwed. Is that not back to front thinking, or what.

Leap>>On the other hand, and this is where rehctub fails to see....that if the adults or others don't have access to cash

I would rather pay more for better security than see our taxes being wasted as they often are.

Suze>>We all know that many prospective employers (be they orchard owners, dairy farmers, road maintenance companies, or whatever) will be choosy about who they employ.

You're right there, but unfortunately our hand has been forced here.

Now while we can't wipe out welfare, we can certainly make it a condition that the recipient be at all times DRUG FREE.

For the record, I don't hate welfare, who knows, I may need it myself one day. What I do hate is that is is to easily wasted and that is not what it is intended for.

If one is unwilling to earn, then they should be happy with what they get and, don't have children because you know you can't afford them.

I am always happy to provide the basics to the needy, not the lazy.

lol...another one with no idea:) So we have Hasbeen and Jewels with the desert plain, we have Rehctub with extra security, and while we are at it, lets open more jails and detention centres.....and hey! why not treat all that we dont like as Adolph Hitler did, and get the old gas chambers going..lol , And thats the best weak arsed idea,s you have got?...Sue..online is still the winner...LOL

I think we have more under-covers here than was in the socialist movements since the 19 century defeat against the what the protesters were marching for, with freedom of speech against the commies we also hate. There are a lot of haters in our society today:) and you three are the worst...lol I've ever seen:) haven't you got work to do yourselves?.....if so.....why are you at home:) So if your at home right now, isn't someone going out to work for you right now...lol..now I see why your at home:) Thank God you lot arn,t running the country....lol.

Hello! Democracy makes the human food grinder work the way it does, but Iam not here to show my human ugliness like some, but to find workable answers to a very completed problems that some how ( rollies eyes ) has managed to transpire in our wonderful non-resistance-racist Australia, that apparently we have the right to all enjoy as much as anyone else.

There seems to be a lot of hypocrites in our perfect world that some seem to think exists.

Have nice day you poor dears:)

LEAP