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The most humiliating surrender since Singapore.

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Courageous,

For someone that has not even raised a single policy comment, you are completely lacking in credibility. I challenge you to actually put your opinions on the line. I don't think you have the b*lls to do so.

My credibility lies in accurately predicting which policies will be the focus points and electoral issues. I have pretty much nailed every one.

It is clear that the health "agreement" is far from final, and that there are some really serious issues in the "fine details" that can easily sink it. It was more important for Julia Gillard to get an agreement than to actually achieve progress. This is the mining tax all over again.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 14 February 2011 5:57:49 PM
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Have all the polls you want they will not make any cense at all.
This bloke is off his rocker. I have never seen any one so blatantly biased in my life. The sticking point WA is happy.
This SM bloke has got some sort of trouble with the electoral system.
I no people can be critical of their own political belief but after an election i tend to get behind the victor.
It is a life of misery denying any move, of your non chosen elect, makes.
Posted by 579, Monday, 14 February 2011 6:38:55 PM
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I saw on IndoVision some time back an art collection held by a private collector that includes the done in real time painting of the Japs had made of the pom brass signing the terms and conditions of their surrender.

The associated accounts express the view that the Japs sh!t mixed them well and truly and had they not surrendered that they may well have been slaughtered.

I know not the truth of it personally so I read *Shadow's* comments with interest.

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The medical industry is in need of serious reform which I can't currently see being delivered.

Other than those whose products and services are in hot international demand, or who otherwise are making a contribution of excellence to the field, all doctors should be put back on MediCare and both full access to medicine and the law too for that matter should be enshrined as Human Rights in a New Constitution.

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In fact, I would nationalise with performance incentives all the necessities of life, medicine, medical insurance, law, housing, food, water, electricity, waste management and their supporting infrastructure. (not intended to be a complete list)

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To illustrate the problem, I personally do not accept that the working people of this country, yes those who have their income regulated, should have to not only pay a grossly inflated price for the "privilege" of owning their own home, but then they pretty much have to pay for the monetary value of TWO MORE as fees etc to the bank.

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The solution is simple. If you would prefer a different political and economic system, DO NOT vote for either the liberal or the labour party.
Posted by DreamOn, Monday, 14 February 2011 7:16:41 PM
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Each of us should make their own paths in life learn about the past present and future them selves.
Courageous say it as you wish.
But understand abuse is no weapon in trying to debate with SM.
I went down that path and lost, by my own actions.
You can if you wish,take a tea spoon and start to empty the Sydney harbor.
Or try to convince Shadow Minister his party is not always right mine always wrong.
ALP polling is bad, but right there in the middle of every poll is this fact Tony Abbott is behind Gillard, now she, is the reason we are doing so bad.
And we should be behind in all polls.
Any understanding person, can see it is the one tracked nature of Abbott/Shadow Minister that keeps Labor afloat.
I well come the defenders of truth here but ask that we do not drop to the level some live in.
One day,I hope we will find out who SM is.
PYNE? BISHOP? JOYCE?ABBOTT? BRONWYN BISHOP?
Singapore reading should include the life story of weary Dunlop,History of the second world war , the section about Japan and the pacific war.
Every young Australian would be stunned to know these things and after reading have a sound basis for understanding why I find Mr Abbott's quote so offensive.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 4:23:50 AM
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Dream on,

Just to close out the Singapore issue, that Singapore was lost cause is not in dispute, and if when the main body of the Japanese force arrived in a couple of weeks, then the battle would have been a needless waste.

However, the small Japanese expeditionary force had neither the size nor equipment to take the city. In 2 weeks the majority of the civilians could have been evacuated and thousands saved with little loss of life.

The health reform that the government is hailing as the biggest reform in decades is not much more than a thought bubble, or concept. The devil is in the detail.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 8:31:23 AM
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As two of our states are in the hands of strong conservative leaders.
And another will be after next month.
And two others are likely to follow.
May I ask this question.
Why did those two except this deal, they held the power all of it.
One alone stood against deal one, it was him that bought about changes.
If this deal is a back down so tragic it reminds some of a defeat such as Singapore's are the conservative leaders useless?
I am disappointed that true debate is being over taken by wild silly claims without basis.
Shadow Minister this is your thread, your title, how can you ask that we leave the Singapore issue out?
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 10:48:55 AM
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