Do not change Shintaro ever.
Thanks indeed regards and flowers too to Sonofgloin and Shadow Minister for? highlighting the lost nature of conservative thought,while Abbott leads.
Singapore for the very young,after Japan launched its sneak attack starting ww2 in the Pacific Britain said Singapore was impregnable.
it fell.
Thousands of Australian New Zealand and British Empire troops marched it to captivity and horrible enslavement and death.
Even more natives of that area died too on such as the Burma railway.
Indeed as Tony said it happens and unfortunately will continue to, until Abbott is gone.
Now be fair, not not you SM but can any one think of reason to use such inflammatory words? to insult even the conservative leaders who supported this.
Such junk talk such confrontation is the reason Abbott is on his way out.
You can only win the fearful and uniformed with these tactics it insults our ability to think for our selves and is low politics.
Conservatives should be more concerned than I am, dislike of Abbott is propping up the ALP.

The IQ of a squirrel, that could be related to other people also.
This hospital deal looks great, a common pool of money for all states.
The money is distributed according to performance. That is a solution in progress. This prime minister has got what it takes to stitch up a deal. That will really be good for the state of vic;
There's a whisper around that Tony is hearing footsteps.

Belly,

Singapore was disaster because the British capitulated to an inferior Japanese expedition force that was in no position to take or hold Singapore, and thousands of men were captured before even seeing action.

My grandfather and great grandfather were amongst those. My GF survived Changi, and my GGF did not. The issue is not the suffering that followed, but the craven lack of spine that lead to it.

If Abbott is supposedly propping up the ALP, I guess you are saying that it has no real support what so ever. 32% what a joke.

Here's some suggestions regarding what Shadow Minister's topic title would have been if the Liberals were currently in power and used exactly the same health policy as Labor:

"The most skillful compromise since the Lib/Nat merger"

"Tony Abbott, a magnificent negotiator"

"Libs outfox Labor"

"What a great result for the health of our nation"

"Julia, why oh why oh why can't you come up with policy this good?".

Because Shadow Minister's political posts are always 100% slanted towards a particular political party, it makes it very difficult to take seriously anything he writes. If his political posts were maybe 90% pro Libs policy and 10% critical of Libs policy then there would be more credibility in the posts. Most people here are like this, why just look at belly's posts where he's often critical of Labor.

Writing as a blind supporter of one political party is not a way to gain credibility, not a way to be taken seriously.

All political parties have bad policies

Belly:>> Thanks indeed regards and flowers too to Sonofgloin and Shadow Minister for? highlighting the lost nature of conservative thought,while Abbott leads.<<

Belly I consider my political leanings as social democratic, definately not right wing.

First a correction, the pool of money appears not to be a common pool each states funds while kept by the federal government is said to be separate.
Shadow minister we disagree again, I need no reminding on those events,some of our troops arrived just in time to surrender.
I honor them all, your relatives and mine as well.
On this issue the fall and on Abbott's use of it.
I question your understanding, think about the words of Sir Robert Menzies, would he ever have used terms like that?
Howard I doubt would need such silliness to rebut the deal.
And let time judge us both, here is my opinion based on what I truly think.
Within 3 years even you will look back and wonder, how you never saw Abbott was/is ruining his own chances by such silliness.
By then, well before, both party's will have new leadership.
Abbott's term will be seen as lost opportunity's.
And without doubt, this man, who with out presenting his plans to Cabernet first threw the stupid idea of middle class riches for child birth on the table then ranted about a short term tax to fix crisis.
Who screams for balanced books but wants to put that off for yet another year.
Tony Abbott is no leader.
He bought about todays national health care problems with his actions and inactions, if in power he would change little.
I just do not think Tony Abbott believes these words he just wants to ferment trouble.
Gillard is being propped up by Abbott, only that.