Early start of to the beach side market day.
This thread came to mind as I haunted the garden stalls.
Again and again I walked past this old gentleman playing a mouthorgan.
His bill Bord had little quotes from the Bible, every now and again he would take out the organ and talk in a clear and crisp voice, to himself.
Every stall,Sunday morning had a crowd around it.
Most about my age.
Yet the only person I saw was a lady taking a photo of him.
Go back 50 years and it would have been different no stalls just a revival meeting then home,Sunday was Gods day.
Tip for gardeners,go to the markets three plants for the price of one at the tin shed, and as good or better.

I don't know what that last post was, but Yeah.....all good I think:/

"Most about my age"......yeah...:)about 4000 years old:)

Bellies, we are talking about "WHY IS GOD"......not where you think you found him...:)

All the best.

BLUE

Ah, yes Grim. I got derailed by some of the other posts on the thread.

Lets take a matrix-style sim universe and your question what can we do for "god", or perhaps "what can the matrix do for god?" that it cannot do itself.

perhaps explore large random "information spaces", much as we run "genetic" algorithms to develop truss structures, cicuit diagrams and such that are (a) incomprehensible from a formal design viewpoint and (b) work. More concretely, a solution of random RNA polymers will contain many disparate examples capable of catalysing a convenient test reaction, some better than others. Peptides derived from randomly polymerised DNA are similarly repositories of catalytic novelty beyond our capacity to just design.

Just because a universe may be buildable (or simulable) doesn't make it limited. Turing proposed that a given logical processor can be understood in terms of, and in principle replaced by a simpler one taking longer. perhaps principles of logic, or process or proportionality are truly extra-universal? set up a model universe, with different rules and see if these arise. Perhaps life and philosophy take such different forms in each attempt as to be true wonder to the builder. We ourselves observe emergent behaviour in various systems. In some, random systems produce consistent output (as consistent as radiodecay expressed as a half-life), some consistent inputs generate unpredictable outputs (divergent processes, anything "chaotic" in a mathematical sense).

Given Turing's idea, it is very feasible for the "builder" to be no more intrinsically capable than the matrix-dwellers, making a toy universe an awesome tool.

As to how to prove or disprove, coming soon, though the answer is not satisfactory.

Rusty

Paul1405 gives us some dire reasons why we should believe in a God.

Did God actually say those things Paul1405, or did some people write in a book 2000 years ago that a God said those words?

How do you know that what the Bible says is true?

How did people manage to get by before the Bible was written?

It must have been a very sinful world indeed.

suzeonline,
The scribes of Israel wrote what was actually happening to Israel at that time, and they understood all things happened under the blessings and cursings of God. Even as today: neglect human effects on the environment and you reap a curse says the Lord. The Lord introduced a time of fallow for crops, to neglect this principle is to effect the harvest. Blessings and cursings were natural events as interpreted by the scribes as of the God of heaven and Earth.

Belly, not bellies.
Now have you noticed you are not getting answers?
If your task is to follow me about and have a go, at least get the name right, if you can.
I am not answering much you say, but you should not get a free run at atempting to be a smarty, you are failing by the way.