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Why is God?

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For those of you who don't think they have to toe the line, this is what Gods going to do to you!

28:27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
28:28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:
28:29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
28:30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.
28:31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.
28:32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 6 February 2011 6:48:39 AM
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Hi Rusty, thanks for at least trying to address the question I originally posed, although with respect you have explained -quite reasonably- why there is a belief in God, not why is God (remember this is a 'what if' game).
My reason for this post is that since 2006 I have been participating in religious discussion at OLO, and almost invariably they have degenerated into a "Is so too! Is not neither!" Style of debate. I was hoping we as adults could perhaps address the question of whether or not there is a God rationally.
When such a large portion of the Human population believe in some god or gods, as an egalitarian I think it a little arrogant that sceptics should just dismiss the belief out of hand.
An investigation into the beliefs of many past Nobel prize winners tends to indicate even high intelligence and education are not guarantees against irrational beliefs.
So why not investigate the question seriously?
In the (apparently quite deliberate, from the theists side) absence of any tangible evidence, is there any way to establish or demolish the putative existence of God?
Science has demonstrated the Universe, if not infinite, is certainly indescribably bloody big. Using mediocrity principle, it doesn't seem unreasonable to suggest life has occurred many many times, in many many places. Some of these life forms could have started millions of years before ours did, and evolved more quickly.
IOW, There are quite conceivably life forms out there far more technologically and philosophically more advanced than we are. It has already been conceived that an advanced race could create a 'Matrix'. It's also conceivable that the inhabitants of such a matrix would not have access to the (blue, was it?) right coloured pill.
So the long version of my question becomes not 'Why is God', but 'why are we?' And if we are a construct as the theists claim, how, by using rational thought alone, do we prove or disprove it?
Posted by Grim, Sunday, 6 February 2011 7:50:35 AM
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Paul1405,
Please give context when quoting Deuteronomy 28. These people were living in windswept desert conditions and opressed by enemies were prone to follow the behaviour of the native pagan people. How does that apply to our situations? The passage you quote was in a deark period of their history. They interpreted everything as experience under the hand of God. Even darker days were still to come, Assyria, Babylon, Persian, Greek, Roman occupation and scattered to the ends of the Earth for nearly 2000 years till 1948. The amazing thing is these people are still around today in one of the most prosperous countries in the Middle East. What does that say about their God?

What have you written about the dark periods of your life and how did you exit such in confidence and promise?
Posted by Philo, Sunday, 6 February 2011 8:00:22 AM
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the big clue to knowing god[good]
is know thyself

why are we here?..because god asked the same question

think of the big-bang as a let there be light moment
when the et-earnal good ..realised there was more to being eternal..than just being what i am..

he dared ask what am i

the life the uni-verse and everything egsists because he does
the universe is reflecting..the path he explored simply trying to find out what he is..

everything he believed defined him lives..has laws..motion..sub-stance

certainty that now egsists..because he egsisted..to make them real

we talk about evolution
this only reveals what god explored then decided no thats not me..im more that that...then evolved ever higher...but leaving behind him a trail...that retains his life essences..thus also retains living

but whats the use..in time we shall all know
the same way god knew himself..by living it
and leaving behind our creations..that reveal where we have been[reveal; what we were then]

[but then we have those soooo clever..
that say ..its all by chance

thats such a joke..lol

everything has its cause
if you dont know the cause..your guessing
cant replicate what you believe..then your decieved and decieving

life can only come from life
so the cause...* must be living too..!

replicate..
but dont dare speculate its fact
...if you cant make one ...just like it

theories are like buttholes...we all got at least one
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 6 February 2011 8:48:34 AM
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I thought the meaning of life had been settled, once and for all!
I searched Wiki and found it!
Therefor, think we can all now all agree that it is dead, buried and cremated.
So, now thatthat it is finally settled and answered, we can all now get on and have a lives and perhaps have a life, and even do something meaningful and fulfilling,

Wikipedia (that undisputed authority on everything) quotes the following:
.........the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything from the supercomputer, Deep Thought, specially built for this purpose. It takes Deep Thought 7½ million years to compute and check the answer, which turns out to be 42.
Posted by falcopilot, Sunday, 6 February 2011 9:07:16 AM
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Take the red pill:) for how deep the truth can go, or take the blue pill and stay in wonderland. lol....The choice is easy to me:)

http://tinyurl.com/4twtth

Chariots of the gods man! is evidence is all over the place, if you choose to see.

If not see you in church:)

The choice is yours.

BLUE
Posted by Deep-Blue, Sunday, 6 February 2011 9:22:46 AM
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