Flo Tony was struck by an awful truth,for a few seconds we saw the real him.
I commend this as worth reading.
Find Goggle news select a story from the Sydney morning Herald from 5 nearly 6 hours ago.
Those who do, may soon share my view, both leaders are well on the way out.
Julia has proved a flop, I never trusted her,said so, but expected her to govern well,she has not.
She looked good to great this week, Rudd looked better,we should have given Rudd a very firm ultimatum but kept him, until he broke it.
Now? Bill Shorten and now!
Abbott is not the leader Labors mistakes has made him look, Joe Hockey could have been, Turnbull now is.
Conservative should watch closely, their party's behavior is to stampede the voters, run wild over democracy support nothing .
In government instant betrayal will/would result,, must take place the group tax us more in government than others, move to spend 300 million dollars while telling us to cut?
Howard scheme ? cut that too! not true Tony Abbott is saying things he CAN NOT DO IF IN GOVERNMENT.
Australia is better served by no independents , not if they are in control, look at the silly little man from family first, seemingly the IQ of a Queensland Blue pumpkin.
I want and believe most of us know it now or not, better leader ship from both party's, an election with lots more new candidates, and if a way can be found a double election of both houses and an end to dealing in local areas and return to nations interest first.
Watch Tony and Julia their sun is setting , a better time is coming.

I don't think the Govt has had time to do anything, and as you say Belly, all Abbott has done is tell us what he wouldn't do. Tony Windsor in my book, is proving himself the most intelligent and trustworthy of the Govt's members, and he is not even a member of the Labor Party.

If you're looking for a PM by proxy, look at TW. He is much closer now to power than someone like Tony Abbott will ever be. His view is critical to the Govt. He is closely followed by Andrew Wilke in Tas in terms of influence. I would be willing to suggest that these two independents have more popularity and electoral influence than any other politicians in our Parliament currently.

And deservedly so, for both are conviction politicians. I like that

We share some ideas thinker2 however not opinions of the Tasmanian ex green.
Windsor is as you say and as I said in his defense after bias and baiting here.
Starting to be concerned, not with drawing support yet, with Rob Oakshot.
He is the same bloke but a bit of a Shane Warne,would run a mile to get in front of a TV camera.
Sorry but my reality says if Labor lost the next election they and your greens would fill the opposition benches for a very long time, I feel greens policy's are unacceptable for most voters.
And want my party to hold the fort, not cede control to minority's views.

But Oakeshot is sort of wholesome as well. And the beards sort of an intellectual touch,
don't you think.

Anyway the problem for both sides is Belly, who would succeed either of the major parties leaders.
It's hard to find a candidate. Both of the current leaders fail to inspire.

Only time will tell.

I might be seeing what I want to see but I would not give up on PM Gillard yet.

It is early days and the lady did not get where she is by having the PMship handed to her on a platter, silver or otherwise.

I feel many of the media reports on her demise are merely wishful thinking, not based on fact.

PM Gillard did fire in parliament this week. So did all her ministers. They appeared to have regained some fire in their bellies

Flo/thinker 2 I would need to go much deeper to tell why I think Julia never should have been put in the job.
I will not do so here.
But she lifted her game,with an effort to do just that,in the last two weeks.
Her wet checks in all probability are real, but looked wooden, it is her nature.
She every second battles to look natural, and fails.
Coming from the left of my party todays Julia would be anything if required to stay in power.
She will, as I said on day one be knifed in the back, for the sake of the ALP.
Now thinker 2 read here in OLO the post history of Bill Shorten read too his parliamentary speech's, then find his greatness as National head of the AWU Australian Workers Union read his speech's read too his equally great replacements words Paul Howes.
Labor produces great men, we need only guts.
Abbott? If in private I was talking to some within his party they would agree,he has run away from the near victory they and I know my statement above is true,he is committing to things he can not/ never will deliver.
I have more on Gillard next post but we are going to see leadership change on both sides