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Tony Abbott; PM by proxy.

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I am not saying the state is perfect, but what I am saying things are not as bad as they are pictured by the MSM and Opposition.
I believe the community benefits from a change of government and new ideas. I do have problems finding any evidence that the present Opposition will do any better.
What I have written is only my opinion, and I acknowledge there is much more to be done.
By the way I am a little older.
Posted by Flo, Monday, 14 February 2011 8:07:21 AM
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Flo, much of what I say must be muffled.
Some of what I want to say I must not be said.
I do not wish to damage my movement with truth.
I would still be a working trade union official, IF I had not put my party, union and above all members first.
Last ALP state conference my heedless leader and his entourage left conference without voting, I got help from a future leader in my union, made sure we voted as is legal for them.
I had 22 years as union delegate and some of those years team leader too on the DMR/RTA.
I watched 238 workers shrink to about 39, as contractors took the jobs.
Flo I watched second grade RTA Engineers take VR then turn up in private enterprise road construction jobs,become abject failures.
Then after VR? return to safe havens in?THE RTA on contract.
Flo contracts have been given to ex RTA bosses to? take out door workers jobs.
RTA workers some are totally beaten down are on the way out, not allowed to do their jobs.
Some have not had one day off in years,some serve as long as 45 years.
I knew my members wanted me to be brave, to say the things they could not, I said them.
My boss, how that man needs to know his ego is the tool that will remove him next election!
Rang me, his union official, the one ministers would not talk to, every minister only talks to the leadership.
He supported the lost totally not respected RTA boss over me and my members
And I gave him the proud Aussie workers dream, he is not fit to wipe the boots of my members the minister would not know they exist.
Flo they have a flogging coming, they earn it, need it my party and yours will grow again.
It would be silly to prop up one enemy in fear of another my true respect and regards.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 14 February 2011 12:24:05 PM
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So Belly,

At last it is revealed, the reason you are prepared to criticise your own party, is because you personally were shafted, and are harbouring sour grapes, not an open unbiased mind.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 14 February 2011 12:34:11 PM
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Shadow the events here took place this year.
My views about my party in NSW have been on display for 3 years here.
You read one of about thirty reasons my party can only be served by its impending thrashing.
It will be,and by its own people too,we do not leave our party it left us long ago.
We do not put your side in because they are better,we know very little about them.
I know mid term,I will be confronted with my deeds in voting for them.
But even if I betray myself, not by not voting Labor but by voting greens I know I act for my party.
You and I are not alike, this pleases me, you never ever contribute words against your party,EVER.
I do question who you are,but not your balance,you have none.
I say this, you let your side down,failing to find room for improvement,you seem unable to debate with me.
But your insults are patently untrue I think you like Abbott would say or do anything ,even if you did not believe it, but bog your own cause in waters you constantly keep mudding.
No my actions are for my party because it once was and will be again far better than it is today.
SM you can never have my respect,you however have my sympathy forever, to have such a closed mind is not pleasant.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 14 February 2011 6:07:38 PM
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In my unanswered last post I rebut a claim from Shadow Minister.
I still do strongly.
However some thing I said is not quite true, I left my job in October,mid morning, because I felt and feel still that branch of my union is badly lead.
My contempt for my party NSW ALP is strong, my support in rebuilding it will be as strong.
In debate/conversation/ surely what we say if it turns out to be wrong should be answered?
Shadow Minister I think you need to except you ran away from answering me.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 4:40:07 AM
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Belly,

Since you say the same things about me just about every post, I feel I am talking to a brick wall.

Some things I have said previously that possibly you haven't picked up on:
I support gay marriage, gay adoption, ethics classes etc, that the liberals don't.
I oppose internet censorship, and forms of government intervention to make us safe that infringe on individual freedoms.
I prefer Malcolm Turnbull as a statesman and a future PM over Abbott, as he is more measure than TA and does not suffer from foot in mouth syndrom.

However, the tabor megaphones on the site are so quick to announce and magnify any misstep by the coalition, that my disquiets over small issues seem irrelevant.

As far as the political realities go, Tony Abbott is by far the best opposition leader as he has exposed and brought the many failings of Labor policy and their incompetent implementation to the fore front of the Australian consciousness. This effectiveness is probably the cause of the visceral hatred of him by Labor supporters.

A party that is relatively newly in opposition is not going to upset the apple cart merely by presenting an alternative government that differs marginally in policy, and that is the mistake that Nelson and Turnbull made.

Just remember while I see many Labor tragics saying, that there is no way TA could lead the country, I remember the same being said about Barry O'Farrell a few years ago. TA has used the hung parliament to ramp up his campaign. Just look at the trends and tell me where you think we will be in a year from now.

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Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 8:11:05 AM
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