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The Australian Book of Atheism

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AJ Phillips,

Your unanswered question: "how do you tell the difference between something that is ‘beyond’ existence and something that ‘does not’ exist?"

-Things either exist or they don't. There are no things 'beyond' existence. I hope this is clearer.

So, whenever one's subjective experience goes beyond existence, one no longer experiences any-things. That is not to say that one no longer experiences!

Having one foot on the ground and one beyond, living in and experiencing both the objective, scientific world and the subjective, religious reality, being bilingual, being for example able to relate to both yourself and Runner, I try to translate as best I can, but of course, translations are never too accurate.

I did warn you though, when I was about to speak the language of emotions, pre-translated. In that language, when I said "I love God", I described my subjective experience, not implying that God was in fact an object, as a similar statement would imply in the language of logic.

Back to the language of logic:
While it is perfectly valid to claim what God is not: "God is not X" (substitute whatever you like in place of X, including even ~X: only things/objects are subject to logic, such as having to be either X or ~X), it is nonsense to claim that "God is X" (including "God is invisible").

Now, I agree that the same could be said about the tooth-fairy: She is for example neither beautiful, nor ugly, but one couldn't claim that "The tooth-fairy is beautiful" or "The tooth-fairy is ugly".

So why then the difference between God and the tooth-fairy?

-In the language of science, there is indeed no distinction between the two.
-But in the subjective language, there is. I adore God, but hold no similar feelings towards the tooth-fairy.

And I do not expect you to believe in either, for as I wrote to Runner, what counts is what's in your heart, not in your mind.

The Blue Cross, I'm glad you discovered your true nature, but only those limited by space must dash. God has no such need.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 9:41:37 PM
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But I'm still in change-over mode Yuyutsu, so I do have to dash now and again.

Thanks for reminding me about genitals AJP, although I did wonder if your spell-checker was the same quality as the one OUG uses and you actually meant to write Gentiles.

Either way, I'll take care of both.

As I dematerialise, you'll no longer be able to read my posts, but they will still be there. They won't be invisible, but they won't exactly be visible either.

Funny old world, eh? But that's how I made it all, to confuse everyone and keep Graeme gainfully employed at OLO, in my service of course, like all of you are too.

Donations can be made to my new PayPal account to pay for the gilded feet on my new statue. Not that you'll be able to see it, of course, like me in a few hours time when I am gone-but-still-here.
Posted by The Blue Cross, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 10:44:06 PM
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Let's pose a question to all you "believers".
The "Holy" Bible is regaded by believers as the Word of God or the Inspired Word of God. If so do you believe everything in the Bible is true and accurate?
Take Genesis 1:27
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

So what does "God" look like? Does he have a Penis, a Belly Button?

Noah's Ark
Genesis 6:14
Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. 15And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. 16A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it. 17And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

Impossible. A boat that size built that way would not survive aven moderate waves.

You must believe the WHOLE Bible or you are not a believer.
Posted by Eccles64, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 11:02:26 PM
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Eccles, I wrote the book, designed the ship, scouted for the captain and sent the flood.

You are quite right though, it's all-or-nothing, so no doubters please.

As for my personal details, well, I don't normally talk about this, except to the AA Gabriel, we hang-out together a lot, but if you're looking for details it would be fair to say I have a schlong rather than a mere human penis.

Why not? I was dishing the equipment out and took an appropriate sized one for myself.

But no, no belly button.

Why would I need that?

I was here before anything was here, before I created man, and woman, before I brought the end. I am the alpha and omega, never forget.
Posted by The Blue Cross, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 11:24:46 PM
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Dear Eccles

you are confusing 'image' in the broader sense, with 'identical likeness' in the narrow sense.

I heard a very funny debate between a Mormon (in the meeting) and Walter Martin, author of "Kingdom of the Cults" which is very critical of Mormonism. The Mormon stood up and said "GOd has arms, legs, and a nose..so he is exactly like us" (He quoted various verses which mentioned such appendages)

Then, Walter Martin in wonderfully refreshing style, replied.."I suppose, based on Psalm xx that God is also a CHICKEN" because he gathers his children under his wings."?

Taking some parts of the Bible 100% literally will get you into all manner of trouble "If your eye sins,...GOUGE it out"

So...there is a little hermeneutics to do in understanding the intended meaning of Scripture.
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Thursday, 16 December 2010 7:15:17 AM
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Al, this is your god speaking to you.

You are wrong about interpreting the Book.

I wrote it, I know what I wrote.

Only a literal interpretation will be tolerated.

It's time to get back to some public stonings too.

I'm pleased with the Iranians, they know how to read the rules.
Posted by The Blue Cross, Thursday, 16 December 2010 8:59:02 AM
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