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Is a false accusation of rape as bad as being raped?

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Max, I have to agree with onlyone and Lizzie that your comments about women’s outfits are inappropriate.
You sound not much different from one of the controversial Muslim clerics here in Australia:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20646437-601,00.html
>>Sheik Hilali said: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?
"The uncovered meat is the problem."
The sheik then said: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred." <<

Re-think what you have said, Max, or read up on it to inform yourself because your opinion, that rape victims are in any way to blame because of the clothes they wear, is incorrect. Women’s clothes, or lack of them, do not cause rape. Men are to blame for rape, not their victims.
That you blame young women for the rape of the elderly is beyond me.
So if I go out to the shops on a hot day in my shorts and strapless top, or a summer dress, and I hear on the news that night that a 90-year-old woman in that area has been raped, I should feel guilty because it might have been my outfit that might have encouraged a rapist?

Perhaps you also think that shop managers are to blame for shoplifting and general theft and burglary because they display things in their windows?
Perhaps shops should cover their windows with black sheets and there wouldn’t be thieves?
Posted by Celivia, Monday, 19 March 2007 9:29:15 AM
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I am terribly sorry if I offended anyone, I knew my comments would have been misunderstood and in fact they have been. I am a very well educated man, University graduate and also did a short course in psychology; I am so badly hurt for all of you not really UNDERSTANDING what I wrote, you all took everything out of context and only read and remembered the words related to women choice of
clothes nowadays, no one has read and kept in mind any other word I spoke in my comments. I have a young daughter, I sent her dancing when she was 13 years of age and that was 27 years ago, short skirts where in use back then. Continues Continued... I never stopped my daughter wearing a short skirt or a revealing blouse, I simply made sure she understood that what she was wearing could have been misinterpreted by a sick minded person, wanted to make sure she knew how to look after herself and what to look for when she was out, so stop condemning me for saying what I said and repeat once again just in case you misunderstood the first time. I personally have nothing against what women wear, never have, never will, but although accused of rape, I am NOT a rapist I admire beauty and I also admire style. The fact remain that not all men are decent human beings and if you believe even for a minute that what I said is not true then you don’t live in this world but you all live in a world called UTOPIA. I repeat and reaffirm not my view guys but my CONCERN, and that is that wearing such revealing clothes COULD trigger a sick minded person a rapist. NEVER intended to IMPLY anything else but just that, if I offended anyone again I am sorry but this is today's society, today's world and none of us will be able to change it. Do you honestly believe I like being here talking about this? Continues...
Posted by Maxximo, Monday, 19 March 2007 11:54:46 AM
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Continued No I am not and as the topic original stated I am here because falsely accused of RAPE, I will fight this and hopefully will win in court, BUT, will that satisfy me?
ABSOLUTELY NOT, no woman or man for that matter should be allowed to accuse anyone of rape and then not paying the consequences if the allegations are not true, when this will be over, the person that accused me will continue enjoying her life just as she has done since the allegations.
She never missed a day's work, never been to see a psychologist, going dancing ever week end, she is enjoying life as if nothing has ever happened, what about me guys? WHAT ABOUT ME AND MY FAMILY?
My wife didn’t deserve to be cheated on, my children didn’t deserve to be cheated on, I cheated on them for 20 years and I am paying dearly for that, but RAPE? How do you thing my son, my daughter, my granddaughters will live their life from now on? Unfortunately I am a very well known person within a particular section of the community, for this reason alone my children and grandchildren will suffer for the rest of their life. The cheating could have been swept under the carpet so as to speak in the sense that not many had to know, the RAPE charges are very hard to sweep under anything. Continues
Posted by Maxximo, Monday, 19 March 2007 11:56:15 AM
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You know Maxx, you declared yourself a man of God, a true believer...then you said you had an on going affair for 20 years.

You said a false accuser caused you to lose your marriage, and you no longer have faith in God...yet you had an ongoing affair for 20 years!

I encouraged you to turn to God, to believe in God, to listen to God. You responded that you had - but God didn't come through for you.

I'm telling you right now, God's talking to you, and you aren't listening.

I find your comments about women's clothing repugnant. I find your claim to be a man of God repugnant.

I think you need an epiphany...
Posted by onlyone, Monday, 19 March 2007 2:11:20 PM
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".... when you are ready to stop playing your nasty games let me know, in the mean time I'm not paying much attention to your posts. It's too easy to waste a lot of mental and emotional energy on someone who is focussed on point scoring rather than honest discussion." My thoughts exactly.

Are you Downer's PR.? For someone who is supposedly concerned about false allegations you are pretty good at making them yourself, RObert. At the very same time you are accusing me of making false allegations you are making one. For instance, when you say I’m making false allegations and nasty you are making a false allegation. You're unbelievable. Very subtle - you want the high ground you'll have to earn it.

It is not a reasonable comparison. The inevitable playing off of feeling against one another is obvious.

I made my views very clear on people making false allegations in earlier posts when I explained the wrongness of the wife-beater allegation. And I also made clear with my comments on a thread I posted, which was a news report of a woman who falsely accused a person of rape.

You're trying very hard to portray me as "nasty" as someone who spins off "false allegations" that's all you've done for the last few posts you've addressed to me. You haven't given one “for instance” because you know very well that is not the case. I've been trying to get you to see that sensitive issues like this are best kept apart or you will give people the impression that they are in opposition. Moreover, you may be contributing to a culture (that conservatives are trying to create) that tends to dismiss complaints of rape as just women making up stories. When men are called to account for an alleged rape the first thing they do is accuse the complainant of making a false complaint. This, for some reason, doesn’t even come onto RObert’s radar. How do you think they feel? If that is nasty than faaackenell Robert - you’re impossible.
Posted by ronnie peters, Monday, 19 March 2007 2:15:00 PM
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The most important point I want to make is that the insensitive idea of a comparison between two traumas from RObert, an apparently sensitive person (I’m reconsidering this opinion), can’t even see - such is the socialisation of our society - that to regard rape in such a blasé manner is the norm. Indeed, to draw a comparison with another related trauma in itself shows how “everyday” rape has now become - and well trivialised. This must not happen. It has deep societal ramifications that go to the very freedom of women's movement and other equality issues.

Yes, false accusations are wrong and create feelings of injustice. False accusations of rape and false accusations of faalse accusations are mentally damaging if the person is not cleared/convicted (I’ll let RObert continue to state the obvious in relation to that). and even if they are cleared/concvicted – this is why we have sub-judice laws and supposedly responsible media editors. Yes people are wrongfully convicted and that is wrong and must be avoided at all costs. But remember criminals also get away with murder because they know how to play the system. And a police officer told me that. Also wealthy people can hire lawyers who don’t consider mental anguish of the complainant in the methods they use.

It is patently obvious to anyone that the feelings of injustice and anguish are similar. But the circumstance surrounding them and the wider consequences are different and I think that, given certain posters' penchant for trying to destabilize women's voice, my complaint in the original thread stands and I haven't seen any evidence from RObert to support the reasonableness or compassion of the comparison (or allegations of nastiness or the making of false allegations).

RObert the last thing I’d do is waste my time scoring points on such a serious issue. For you to say so is a truly low act and only furthers belief that you have little understanding of the feelings and mental anguish of crime victims. Look outside your own unresolved feelings and stop thinking with that chip on your shoulder?
Posted by ronnie peters, Monday, 19 March 2007 2:59:09 PM
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