I have always wondered OUG, are we condemned as killers if we have unwittingly exterminated cockroaches, mice, rats, flies, etc that are considered pests within the home environment? In all likelihood what do you think happens to us on judgement day or on the astral plane you have referred to?

we are unique../quote..<<..are we condemned..as killers if we have unwittingly exterminated cockroaches,mice,rats,flies,etc>>

so much depends on our intent...iedid we..deliberatly/perversly..make them suffer..[did we enjoy..their sufferage]

it boils down to why we did...what we did

i used to deliberatly..avoid walking on ants..[walked with my head down...looking to step...where they were not]..but since i bought my bicycle...i possably have occasioned mass murder...[but what is important..is the reasons...why...its important...im not doing it on purpose.not gaining joy from their suffering..but also not mindlessly killing]

its even more com[plicated..by the murder..of thousands of seeds..to make my daily bread[or the insects killed..so i can eat my vegies./.or the beast murderd..to eat my beef/bacon...

it can get complicated..
[i guess thats why we..properly..should pray..over our food]

but also..thats why we sort-out..this issue..
in the astral realm

<<what do you think..happens to us on judgement day..>.firstly...as such..there isnt..A..day of judgment...[only a period..of clarification..of our will..reaasons/purpose...and best destination..upon clear resolution

[i say period..because the time..of transition
takes various timmings,..[by our earthly measure]
jesus..took three earthdays..

[but in the next realm..there is only ongoing timelessness]...
ie events..are the measure of..the passage of time..there is only eternal day..or eternal night..or eternal dawn/twilight..depending on what parts of hell/heaven we reside in

<<or.on the astral plane>>..yes this is where the..'judgment'..rightfully occurs...but its niot judgment..its more of a temptation..that tests..wether we are best suited for which realm...

[many by pass it nearly instantly...[its a matter of concluding the doudfull issues..remaining..from our earthy lives]...jesus life was considerably more complicated..

and he also was needed to return...to prove the lie of..reserction-day...[its immediate..here now...next we are there...[all of us]..the sorting of the sheep/from the goats...tares..from the wheat..on the astral..plane..takes a bit longer...

Indeed DiverDan there are.

These days they are to be found in the Pentacostals and evangelical fundamentalists, as well as through every fibre of the Vatican and Canterbury.

Of course, xtains are not the soul source of evil spirits. There are plenty in all the Abrahamic faiths, the sources of most, but not all, of the worlds hot spots.

The refusal to take any responsibility for the crimes carried out under the banner of 'religion', all religions that is, is part of the problem.

In the Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956 Solzhenitsyn, an Orthodox Christian, denied evil as a separate entity.

"If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"

Judaism has a similar concept. There is a yetzer hara (evil inclination) and a yetzer hatov (good inclination) in every one of us. We are neither good nor bad. The normative opinion of Judaism is that the guilt for the sin of Adam died with him, and we are born with a clean slate. We can choose between cultivating the yetzer hara or the yetzer hatov.

Interesting how the human mind proceeds in a some-what ancient way of thinking and yet No evidence to prove that we are nothing more than electro-chemical beings.

The manifestations of the group micro world which from one cell to the becoming of the many, work in order to become the complex species we are, and that in its self can produce all kinds of beliefs and when we combine that the collective order of the micro working a one, Gods, Demons, The tooth-fairy, Ghosts, can and do become very real to those that force the collective in combination that with Evolution, the experiences or visions are as real as those who don't see what their talking about, or feeling.

I mean, I can make myself believe in lets say, a house-brick
( this house-brick is an ancient and old one with powers from the gods...rolly eyes. )

and I will

( and free-will being the key to it all ) get out of it what I make my brain think and "Will" to believe.

You all are only 10% human and the rest is billions of years of............well you know the rest.

But belief is very important to how the micro,s cells change the being for what is the great race to become what we are.

From little things, big things grow.

and that's what I believe.

BLUE

its..no use blaming..religeon..[alone]..religeon..is made up..from people..[and people..like spirits..come in all types..[good..and bad]

anyhow..continued from..here

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11183#188408

..the asttral-plane..extends..like a belt around each planet..and is,..formed..of the matter..which is too*fine..for reassertion..by the planet,..[but able to be..moulded into form..by spirit-thought/form]..even by animal..thought/desires..etc

and..is too coarse..to escape from..the attraction of..the..planet's mass..and pass into..the spheres of..the spirit world..to form either
matter..in the course of disintegration..or change...from one form..to another,

and it is only..the vitalizing-power..of such soul-magnetism..[animated..by gods spirit]..as it retains...or has retained..or desires to retain..form..which enables it..to cling together..in any shape..at all.

"In the case of..human astral-forms..which have possessed individualized life..as..a soul's-envelope..the..astral atoms have absorbed..a greater..or less degree of the soul's magnetism,..

or true life/essence,..according..as..the earthly existence..of the soul has been..good or evil,..elevated..or degraded,

and this soul/magnetism..animates it..for a longer..or shorter period,..and forms..a link between it..and the soul[which has animated it....]

this is important..as..our thoughts eminate magnmetism..especially in strong passions..[its this..that allows..the vile-spirits..to recieve our vile thoughts]..and connect


In..the case of..a soul..whose desires..are all for higher things,
the link is soon severed..and the astral/envelope..soon decays,

while..with a soul..of evil desires..the tie may last..for centuries
and chain the soul..to earth,..making it in fact..earth-bound....

which is..the fear of spirits..using this method..to communicate..to this realm..but this is all..la'la'la..cant hear you..to those who poopoo..the very egsistance..of further*..life..after death

so why bother...tying up my link..into the aether any longer
let people believe..as they will...for such is..freewill

...the good..need fear nothing...
for there is nothing...in reality..to fear

In some cases..the astral..of a soul...of very evil life
will have absorbed the..lower..or higher spheres particles.

Astral matter is practically..so much..of the soul's vitality
that after the soul itself..has sunk into the lowest sphere of all,..the empty shell will still float..about the earth
like a fading image of..its departed owner.

They have no intelligence..of their own,..since the soul/has fled

These astrals,..however,..are only capable..of being made use of..upon the astral plane.

certainly these figments..can only affect those..who believe...in such stuff..

and..that do..the wrong*..things..to others