i..agree with danielle...the holy_texts..<<are descriptive;..not prescriptive>>

jinny..we have been..over-this..i only can do that..i feel able/to.be doing

philo...it has been recorded..we carry many bacteria..but..the numbers are kept..so low..we dont appear*..sick...[only..3 out of 4 people..can get cancer]...we all have..bad*bacteria

and during..the many epidemics..many..didnt*get sick...it could be co-incidence..or some other thing..but..its not..as simple..as/you..have bacteria...your..sick/dead..etc

as for..does god..'cause'..evil?
well..does..mr henry ford..cause car/accidents?

fact-is..no cars..no car-accidents
but..no god...no life

so yes..he..did cause...vile..but also..
vile...allows us..to chose..to*do..better good

Tied in..with all-this..is the worship of..the body[result]..as cause..[self..as god],..elitist-intellectualism,..and the idea that.."man..is the measure..of..all things"...is..simply an absurdity...[to make..the cause*..man..
denies..the true cause..god..and..his gift*..of life]

Therefore..in..the materialists-realm
good looks,..sporting prowess..busines/accumen
brain's..ability..knowledge...answers...genes..ways/means

and..to a lesser extent,..natural*[lol]..intelligence..are highly prized/characteristics..and those..who possess them*..in great measure..are the objects..fruits/rewards..of adoration..in our culture.

but..i know..that i do..im not doing it..many others are
we are all*..specialists...im a specialist...watcher...
noticing..building..not destroying

This is clear..when you consider..the attention ..given to these things..in the entertainment..and media industries,..which greatly
in*-fluence ..the hearts..and the minds..of people.

we all..got our causes..reasons..and reasonings

Truly,..people today..worship..and serve..the creature*..creation
instead of,..the Creator,..who is serving..even the least..to be-blessed..with the manyfold...free/..living/..loving gifts..of good and love..forever.

lest we forget..science..*HASN*T..made_life..ever*
can recognise/..measure..describe..the signs..

but not*.make..dust live..
ie..cant replicate..that on which they speculate

till it knows..and repeats..that small*thing..
dont*..be too sure..that..mans..other theories/ideas..as right either*

in*cluding..those..i quote

we..might have..'phycic councilors...but they cant cure..*every*thing..+every-one
yet..can name*..anything..[lol]..by its symptom's...its a joke..that nuts..is a lable...

if you claim..they cure,..it all..
they claim..to excise..dis-ease..sometimes...

they,..and we are..free*to believe*..so-as..*we chose*

i dont see..im creating fear...only summerising..in-formation
i trust..that..the knowing of which..will overcome any needless fears

im mearly trying to balance..the absurdity..of..Scientific Materialism..the idea of naturalism,..that/only..the physical world..exists,a one/eyed-belief..that..there ..is no spiritual realm..(except..perhaps..as an intellectual abstraction).

into which..i include many materialistic..replacements..that have become..faiths,..Include..the philosophy..of naturalism/..medicine/science..

which is the support/for..the theory*..of evolution..
which denies God..as..the Creator..and Sustainer..of all things.

This philosophy...still has powerful influence..
in education...and life generally
even on these pages

Economic-Materialism(Greed)..the love..of money/wealth/power/fame.

People will give..most of their life..to the pursuit of wealth
and the MEDIA..constantly pumps people..full of desires for
more..and more products..

which only...FIAT/fed re-serve..[mon-ey]
[bankers/ursury-ists]..controlled..money..*can buy.

only begotten..by paying URSURY...to monopolists
[recall jesus/money-changers..?}

People...sacrifice many*..things..including family
and friends..pride..and propriority..in the..pursuit of..these..FALSE_idol's.

treat..them..as good/..god..[if you will]
or treat..my quotes..as fiction*...i couldnt care-less

thank_god ..we can still..chose..to believe*it..or reject*it..
all..or..in part..[as we chose*]....[for now..!..]

we each..will have..one event/thing..we cant explain..or verify/validate..by science method..in fact..the list of sciences..FAILINGS*/fauds*/misstakes..is rather huge*

but back to..the quote..from...a/wanderor..in spirit-lands
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Wanderer_a4.pdf

"In a..like manner..spirits of..a low-type..can clothe themselves
in these..*empty..astral garments,[forms]..but..in their case the very grossness..of the spirit..(or soul)..prevents them from retaining possession,..for very-long,

tongue..in cheek?..funny thought*..
[take..a..'common_cold'..3 to 5..days?]..lol

the dense/magnetism..of the low-spirit's..own..spirit-body acting as
a strong..noxious vapor..or gas..would do..upon..a covering..made, say,..of a spider's web..of fine gossamer,..and rending it..into a thousand pieces...[sic*?]

To a spirit..above the..astral-plane..
an astral-envelope..appears..almost as solid..as iron,..

but..to one below it..these fragile shells
are..like a cloud..or aetherist-vapor.

The lower..the soul..the stronger..it-is..in..its envelope..!

and..the more firmly..does it hold..the living..spirits-soul-body,
limiting..its..god given-powers{health}....and preventing it..from rising..into a more advanced -phere."

yes its..a..{sic*]..simulie

"You mean,..then,..that..spirits sometimes use..these astral shells..as they do..earthly mediums,..and either..control them independently..or actually enter..into the form?"[IN-fect}

"Yes,..certainly...A spirit..above..the earth-plane,..
anxious to show..himself..to a clairvoyant..of the lowest..or first degree of power,..will sometimes*enter..one of these..shells..which*..he at once stamp*s..with his identity,{sickness}

[sic*]and..in that way..the clairvoyant[clear see-er]..will truly see..and describe him...[by symptum?]..lol...

come-on..loosen..up

*The danger..lies..in the fact..that..when the*good-spirit..of limited knowledge..seeks to leave..again..the astral-shell,..he finds he cannot do so;..he has..animated it[sic*]..and its..strong will of living...[for life]..holds him prisoner,

..and it is..often difficult..to release him..see[quote.AJ,Monday,8:09:14]

In similar manner/..the..too complete,..too*..long continued control..of an earthly medium..by..a..sic*-spirit,..has been found to create..a link between*..them..which becomes..at last a*chain...
[fatal dis-ease..?..often resulting..in 'death'..of both?]

To a spirit..of the lowest spheres..an astral envelope..is but/a convenient,all too evanescent cloak..with which to hide his own degraded spirit body,..!..

and thus impose/upon clairvoyants..{ie the sensatives/few]..one..in four]..proof..for those*..unable to*see..[yet able to..'name']..the vile spirit[bug/virus..affect]..underneath;..see..[aj/quote]

but.to a good..and pure spirit....the astral-envelope
is/as..a suit..of iron..capable of imprisoning him."
[till death..do we part]..

"Then..in the case of what..are called..personations..by one spirit
of another..at séances..[hospitals]...upon earth,..

..are these..astrals..made use of?"..continues

Dear runner,

According to the Bible God creates evil.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

"Very often they are,..where the mischief-making spirit..is of too low..a type..himself..to come into..direct..contact with the*medium...[vacinations//infection..often sufice][sic*]

You must know..by this time..how wonderfully..the thoughts of..mortal men..and women..are mirrored..upon the atmosphere of..the astral-plane,..

and..as pictures..they can-be read..and answered..by spirits..
possessing..the knowledge of..how to read them.[see/jc]

All spirits..have not..the power*,
[but docters..can name it][sic*]...lol

as pictures..[feeling/symptoms]..they can be read..and NAMED..by..DR-spirits..possessing..the knowledge of..how/to read*..them.

All spirits..have not..the*power,..just as all men..and..women on earth..are not able..to read.a newspaper..or a letter.

It requires..intellect..and*..education..
with us..as/with those..on earth.

The spirits,..then,.of which men..should most beware..are not so much
the..poor/ignorant..half developed-spirits..of the earth-plane..and lower-spheres,...whose degraded lives..have made them..what*..they are..!..[but..their..SYMPTOM..(sign}]

and..who are..often glad of..a helping/hand..to raise them,
but..it is of..the intellectually-evil,..and.those who/have..
great powers8..alike..of mind..and body..and..who have only
..used them..for wrong purposes...[revealing/volumes]

These..are the real*dangers..to guard..against,..and it is only..by the increase of knowledge..amongst the mediums..incarnated..in the earthly_body..that it..will*be..successfully done,

for*..then..mortals..and spirit-workers..will labor..*in unison,..!

and mutually..*protect..the spiritual-movement..from fraud..and from
the mistakes of..the well meaning..but half-ignorant spirits..and mortals..who are doing..good*work..in directing..the attention*of mankind..to..the matter,

but..who often..do harm..both to themselves..and others....in simply delivering their..communications/mess-age

They are..like..ignorant..chemists..and..liable to..bring destruction..and harm..upon others..as well as on..themselves..in their experiments..in search*..of knowledge."

"You do not think,..then,..that the purity
of..their motives..will suffice..to protect them?"

"Would purity..of motive..save..a child..from being burnt..
if..it thrust..its hands..into a blazing-furnace?..No!

then..the only way is..to keep..the child..as far from the fire..as possible...this good..and..wise spirit-guardians do..in a great measure,..[often..via fables/deciets/lies]

but if..the children*..are continually hovering..near the danger,..and try..at all sorts of..odd-times..and fashions..to get..just another peep/at..the dangerous*thing,..it is impossible..but..that some..of them..will get scorched."[sic*]

"Then you..would*not ..advise..the indiscriminate cultivation/of mediumistic powers..by all mortals?"

"Certainly not.

I would have..all men use..the powers..of those..who have been
carefully developed..*under..wise-[selfless]..guardians,..and..I would have..all assisted..to cultivate them..who are truly anxious..to develop their powers..as a means..of doing good..to others.

But when..you consider..how manifold..and..how selfish..may be..the motives..of those..mediumistically endowed,..you will see..how exceedingly difficult..it would be..to protect..them..in all-ways

JINNY:

This may be cold comfort for you at the moment,
In Goethe’s play “Faust”, Faust asks of Mephistopheles the Devil (In a passage from the ply) “Who art thou” The Devil’s reply! “I am part of that spirit which always wills evil and always creates good”.

I dug up the following poignant lines to reinforce this theory just for you:

When nature wants to take a man
And shake a man
And wake a man
When nature wants to make a man
To do the futures will
When she tries with all her skill and she yearns with all her soul
To create him large and whole
With what cunning she prepares him
How she goads and never spares him and in poverty begets him…
How she often disappoints
Whom she sacredly anoints
With what wisdom she will hide him
*Never minding what betide him*
Bids him struggle harder yet
Makes him lonely
So that only
God’s high message shall reach him
So that she may surely teach him
What the hierarchy planned
Though he may not understand
Gives him passion to command
How remorselessly she spurs him
With terrific ardour stirs him
When she poignantly prefers him
(Angela Morgan)

Stay strong/Diver Dan

davidf you write

'According to the Bible God creates evil.' Have you all of a sudden had your spiritual eyes open or are you quoting a book you claim is flawed.
No doubt the Scripture you mention does say God created evil in the contrasting of light and darkness peace and evil or calamity. This has nothing to do with a moral evil of which you and I are partakers. One of the evidence of mankind's evil is the quick conclusion to blame God for evil. Taking Scripture out of context is exactly what the devil tried with Jesus when He was being tempted in the desert.