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Posted by Belly, Sunday, 19 September 2010 5:54:56 AM
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Well put Belly, Remember the Labor Party do not have a majority nor does the coalition so neither party can claim the right to simply push the agenda they had at the election. I simply just don't get what SM gett's out of pushing such a one eyed hateful position. If you are looking to blame someone SM blame the Lib's lapdogs the Nationals. Their weak performance as a coalition partner and complete failure to represent the country is why the coalition didn't win government. The Nationals should stop patting themselves on the back because they picked up a couple of seats in a protest vote. They will likely loose them at the next election as country people see what the independents are doing for their electorates, similar to why the WA National defeated Tuckey in O'connor. The Nationals need to look to the WA nationals for real leadership and split from the coalition during opposition and give themselves a real chance of negotiating a good agreement that helps country areas to form government. If they had the gut's to do that they would win back many country seats.
Posted by nairbe, Sunday, 19 September 2010 8:18:03 AM
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i usually like to quote...some-thing..then re-act..to that specificlly
but it seems abbots..stradegy..will be much the same oppose..everything... but i note the counter attack..[from the greens] seems the most likely... [a concious/conscience..vote.. that hopefully cracks..the 2 party-line..open] the isue opf speaker..is yet another issue i note the current[old]..speakers is trying to hang-on grimly hear he is even threatening...independant/voting we all-ready seen turn-coat...loves the big/new-tax [for his banker/finance..buddies..to trade-in/speculate..upon] then there are yet other issues..worth considering like the other taxes..[and lets face it govt-servants like nothing better than more oppression..on the tax-payers..new depts mean new dept-heads..mean a bigger subsidised pension] also in the wind..[ok only with the greens] is death-duties...its the only tax wealthy peoople cant escape[individually]... but they learned long-ago..to put their wealth..into a trust-fund..and get all the tax lurks...but none of that other..peons-tax/burdens so if we do get a vote...make sure those trusts..do have a..'death'...obligation..to pay/their share..of-tax while we-are at it..also companies/coorporations/trusts need to have death duties..built-in...say they die on paper..every twenty-five..years or so this would go a long-way..to balancing much of their trickery [do you got a trust-fund belly?] i think its a huge problem] tax..as previously revealed is only legal upon business[on income]..not wages..but also we should have a windfall*..tax/on bonus like on royalties..or other stuff..imports for egsample if we get the burden..of a carbon tax..make sure imports have it on them too... and exports..especially on international cash export/transpher we are supposedly into a new para-dime..so lets get fair..tax smokers..but tax booze equally[yes wine,,TOO]..and gambling..and any movement of cash over 5000 lets have some serious thinking going on for once stop serving the beast..remember all that got you into power..was the peoples/vote..its the voters your MEANT-to represent...its time they got a tax-cut...like life the minimum-tax raste to average wages big taxes on those abouve average...income you know the difference..damm-it who you going/to serve..julia who you going/to serve...tony by your deeds will you be revealed..or reviled ok not..in the media..who you serve but the special hell.. for turn-coats two faced/twp/party/ex-layers.. thinking they can/make laws..for just-us how goes that rule first rule over thy-self Posted by one under god, Sunday, 19 September 2010 12:19:28 PM
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Nairbe, belly et al,
Whilst you would like to believe that the coalition would have to abandon its promises if it were in power, because you would like to believe that the coalition is no better than Labor, the stark reality is that this belief is at best conjecture. People are judged on what they have done, not on what they might have done. Labor has reneged on just about every promise in the first term, and quite brazenly intends to do the same again in the second term. Whilst you are so one eyed as to try and ascribe the same duplicitous behaviour that Labor has displayed to the coalition, the actions on the ground do not bear this out. Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 19 September 2010 12:20:26 PM
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Dear Hasbeen,
You can't be serious about accusing Labor of reneging on their promises when all you have to do is look at the Libs record of flip-flopping, on so many issues from the GST, to Howard promising Costello he'd resign, to Abbott's Industrial Relations promises - and telling us "The only way to solve the problem is to stop the boats!" Can he tells us HOW! Tell you what, perhaps if we use your one-eye, and add that to my one-eye - we'd both be able to get a better bigger picture? Dear SM, Just because you keep repeating something doesn't make it true - but you go right ahead and keep it up. Its the law of political irony, or when you attack your enemies, you hurt your friends. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 19 September 2010 12:49:17 PM
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cont'd ...
Dear Hasbeen, Here's the latest on "reneging," for your information: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/oakeshott-warns-of-mexican-standoff-after-coalition-reneges-on-deal-20100917-15fca.html Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 19 September 2010 12:59:15 PM
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Runner? no not a Christian thought ever comes from that poster and truth is in exile in some anti labor posts.
So long Suckers!
ANYONE who understands politics knows it is a whole new ball game.
Do not look for balance from Hasbeen or SM.
look and you will never find [apart from anti Turnbull junk] questions being asked about their side.
My posts are full of such questions.
BASIC facts Abbott if he over turns Gillard mid term, he may do so, will talk to every one a deal with them not unlike Gillard had to.
Remember an early election will be out of the question for conservative coalition, by mid this year.
Spoiling and confrontation will have removed the wheels from Abbott's little anti green wagon.
so long suckers, look true who would need to do more than restate the threads title to highlight the true value of Shadow Ministers view.
Be it by a small margin the ALP won the 2pp and in Abbott's words the popular vote.