To avoid Kevin Rudd's mistake of back flipping one policy at a time, Julia has decided to get the pain over at the beginning by reneging on all of them at the same time.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/all-bets-are-off-says-pm-20100917-15gbl.html

Instead of "It was all Kevin's fault" from the first term, we now have "the hung parliament makes it too hard!"

While Julia got enough mileage from this bait and switch tactic to avoid be completely annihilated at the polls only the most dense of Labor tragics could fall for the same feeble line again.

I wonder how Tony Abbott would have got out of his promises given the dodgy economic costings debacle - perhaps more core and non-core promises. Abbott would have inherited the same minority government and lets be honest it does change the landscape somewhat.

However (don't faint SM) I happen to agree that this dismissal of promises was made too easily and a minority government does not stop the government at least attempting to put new policy and legislation in consultation with all parties. That is what consensus government is all about. It does not have to mean abandoning certain pre-election proposals.

when/we..get the big/new tax..[thanks-to..turncoat/bull]
and the..new-smokers/tax....

and our..next../rates/water/electricity increase
and no/..or minimal..'average/minimum..wage..lol..increase

that..in the..news/today
airports..were refused..a 2...point/9..percent-increase
in airport..landing fees..yes-terday

thanks..to/the..flying/high..industry-lobby

aint it/great..how..a miner..can advoxcate..the carbon/tax
to compensate..govt-thrift...lol..for not/getting..the new..miners/wind-fall..proffits..tax..through

we/so..get..the/govt..the two/parties..prefer

i really/wish it was
so-long..govt..2 party..party-peeple..going

except..were the/sukkers

remember..the day..when...just a tax...[on tea]..was proposed?

now we got,...so many/taxes...while..the rich..get richer

and it/still..isnt legal..for govt..to bring in...even/one..!

nothing..in the constitution..allowing/any..of it

but then..the con..says govt..'cannotmake..ANYTHING..but..gold/silver..legal-tender'..either

nothing..saying..bankers can/issue credit..neither
or steal..the..reserve-bank..even the..mint

or mAKE..govt..lend..money..from bankers
didnt..whitlimp..get/sacked..for doing..just that

the bankers stole..the fed-reserve..from../govt-control..

the wizard...of oz...note..the use..of a shortening/for ounce
was egsactly..as has been/reported...
http://secretofoz.com/

but then/again..its so-much worse..right-now

govts should create..their own values...for the value..of their/own currency..BUT/we have..lost..our own gold/currency..long-ago
lost..our silver..currency..in 1966

lost our copper-coin-age..in..[the eaerly/ninties]
even lost paper..and now deal in plastic..

soon..in cyber-credits
isued..controlled..monetised..by unelected/bankers

and the bad/thing about/that..is as..revealed..
its all created..on their books..run by them..the criminals
who actually..lend govt..their/own..money.

peoples...money..as/credit..AT/their intrest..[ursury]

so govt..needs to tax/the people..via a lie..
called..income-tax..on the workers-wages..
[see wages..isnt..income..;
income comes via proffit..with no added-value..[work]..imputs

see histry..proves,..that giving..the bankers/TOTAL-control
meant..begging/them..for our own money..[at ursury]

worse..it meant..bankers..got control of..
the fed/reserves..of gold/silver/copper..

which..they leased..to their fellow/member bankers..for 44.dollars..44cents..an oz...which/they promtly..converted..into more credit..by selling..on.. to-the market...giving them..a nice-wind/fall

and as/they run..the fed..
they never are..expected to return..it
but it was stolen..from us all...

then they charge-us/and govt..ursury/bankfees
then govt..underwrites,lol..their losses...gives them..bail-outs

all on/the strength..of talk..[gobbildy-gook]..
like that of the queen..of hearts..
[legaleaze/sleaze]..or spin...as we know-it

http://secretofoz.com/

where..things mean..what the/judge/govt/media/party..says..it means

see coorperations..means persons..
persons pay tax..not people

people arnt/persons..!
income..isnt wages..!

the transport-act..regulates transport*
[not people..but drivers*
[driving..for money...in vehicles*

..a vehicle*..is that/which transports*/goods/services..for income]

i know..its all gobbildy-gook..to you
deliberatly...so

WHY?
because..poli-trickians..serve..the party
most/..are..or were..lawyers

where..is their..sepperation..of powers?

2 party-treason..run..via/the..pub-lick-sir-vice

One would expect that the policies her ladyship, little Julie took to the election would be the ones she, & Labor believed were the best for the country.

The fact that she & Labor are so quick to dump many of them tends to give the lie to that. Surely if they are the best policies, [in their eyes], they would continue to try to enact them.

One can only assume that Labor policies will change depending on whom they are designed to buy. That clearly is no longer the electorate.

Of course it may be that Labor now see an opportunity to stick it up those they were so recently courting, this being apparently a characteristic of many in the party.

What ever it sure shows that there was little if any interest in the Labor party in governing in the best interest of the majority of Ozzies.

anyone who voted for someone who stabbed her leader in the back along with numerous other character flaws gets what they deserve.

Runner wrote, "anyone who voted for someone who stabbed her leader in the back along with numerous other character flaws".

Nice to see folks here keeping personal gutter abuse out of political commentary. Well done runner. Do you think Jesus would be proud of you?

Calm down SM and cap Hasbeen.
Julia the good spoke of facts, this fine lady said what Abbott would have had to say if it was him in office.
Given deals with others we do not have the power to put our wish list in place.
In fact we have commited to talk about changes in policy's.
But gents you knew that.
Still like a storm in your tea cup it helps you to forget you failed.
My hopes rose SM for a brief second I thought you had considered my idea and had intentions of sailing away, Hasbeens nappy trawling along behind.
Let us toast this fine lady Julia Gillard our country's leader fine lady too.

When someone has broken so many promises in a matter of weeks one would have to be gullible to believe Ms Gillards word. Obviously Jockey you don't think that private beliefs affect public performance. I think you are wrong.

Michael Gordon has written an excellent article
in, "The Age," Insight, Saturday, 18th 2010,
entitled, "Pause For Thought."

In it he says:

"Our Prime Minister has worked 90 days
straight - most of them spent
campaigning, cajoling, negotiating,
selecting and explaining without pausing
for breath."

Give her a break. Judge her at the end of
her term don't cut her down at the beginning
of it.

As the article states:

"She's an easy communicator who treats people
with respect and doesn't project any sense of
superiority, she sees herself as "the first
among equals" in her party. We know that she's
a firm believer in the power of education, in
a strong work ethic and a sense of fairness.
She plans to lay out a long-term vision that the
electorate can relate to and embrace."

"The PM has nominated a host of priorities for
the next term: keeping the economy strong,
delviering the broadband network, showing tangible
health improvements on the ground, and delivering
the sustainable population strategy and the response
to climate change."

She's made it clear that she's not going to rank them
with one at the top.

Let's not forget, as the article tells us that:

"The onus now is cearly not on delivering precisely
what was promised, but building on and adapting
policy ideas through negotiation with the Greens,
the independents and (where possible), the opposition."

The PM needs to be given time to reflect, especially
before making the really big calls.

Jumping in with threads like this one - and baying
for blood is not only unfair - it's not very
intelligent, considering the fact that time is
needed to take stock and work on the big picture.

Jockey,
Thank you runner needed that.

Shadow minister,
Though you have a good point in theory you are still using cheap news paper articles to attack the government rather than open a mature discussion.
Yes Julia did say that much of what they touted during the election is now open as the land scape has changed. Well isn't that just overstating the obvious. The government will now have to negotiate with the greens and independents on everything, this will cause a much more open government that will find it hard to hide the devil in the detail.
But then again it would be much more satisfying to go back to a world of core and non-core promises wouldn't it. Such a hassle when people just admit how it is.

Moving forward... into the new environment! ( ;> /

Pfpfpfhhhh!

Foxy, no one twisted the ladies arm & forced her to stand for PM. She did it for her own desire. She has no right to ask for a holiday after the election

If she can't handle the heat she should have kept out of the kitchen.

Any fair minded person can see that she is trying to use the situation to move her objectives much further to the left.

I suppose those of you that like that idea will be busy rationalising this switch, but others don't like it. Many who voted labor will be entitled to feel they have been conned, mainly because they have.

She would have had no chance of being elected if she had offered these policies at election time.

Foxy and others while you tread the path of truth expect nothing from our one eyed opponents.
Runner? no not a Christian thought ever comes from that poster and truth is in exile in some anti labor posts.
So long Suckers!
ANYONE who understands politics knows it is a whole new ball game.
Do not look for balance from Hasbeen or SM.
look and you will never find [apart from anti Turnbull junk] questions being asked about their side.
My posts are full of such questions.
BASIC facts Abbott if he over turns Gillard mid term, he may do so, will talk to every one a deal with them not unlike Gillard had to.
Remember an early election will be out of the question for conservative coalition, by mid this year.
Spoiling and confrontation will have removed the wheels from Abbott's little anti green wagon.
so long suckers, look true who would need to do more than restate the threads title to highlight the true value of Shadow Ministers view.
Be it by a small margin the ALP won the 2pp and in Abbott's words the popular vote.

Well put Belly, Remember the Labor Party do not have a majority nor does the coalition so neither party can claim the right to simply push the agenda they had at the election. I simply just don't get what SM gett's out of pushing such a one eyed hateful position. If you are looking to blame someone SM blame the Lib's lapdogs the Nationals. Their weak performance as a coalition partner and complete failure to represent the country is why the coalition didn't win government. The Nationals should stop patting themselves on the back because they picked up a couple of seats in a protest vote. They will likely loose them at the next election as country people see what the independents are doing for their electorates, similar to why the WA National defeated Tuckey in O'connor. The Nationals need to look to the WA nationals for real leadership and split from the coalition during opposition and give themselves a real chance of negotiating a good agreement that helps country areas to form government. If they had the gut's to do that they would win back many country seats.

i usually like to quote...some-thing..then re-act..to that specificlly

but it seems abbots..stradegy..will be much the same
oppose..everything...

but i note the counter attack..[from the greens]
seems the most likely...

[a concious/conscience..vote..
that hopefully cracks..the 2 party-line..open]

the isue opf speaker..is yet another issue
i note the current[old]..speakers is trying to hang-on grimly
hear he is even threatening...independant/voting

we all-ready seen turn-coat...loves the big/new-tax
[for his banker/finance..buddies..to trade-in/speculate..upon]

then there are yet other issues..worth considering
like the other taxes..[and lets face it govt-servants like nothing better than more oppression..on the tax-payers..new depts mean new dept-heads..mean a bigger subsidised pension]

also in the wind..[ok only with the greens]
is death-duties...its the only tax wealthy peoople cant escape[individually]...

but they learned long-ago..to put their wealth..into a trust-fund..and get all the tax lurks...but none of that other..peons-tax/burdens

so if we do get a vote...make sure those trusts..do have a..'death'...obligation..to pay/their share..of-tax

while we-are at it..also companies/coorporations/trusts
need to have death duties..built-in...say they die on paper..every twenty-five..years or so

this would go a long-way..to balancing much of their trickery
[do you got a trust-fund belly?]

i think its a huge problem]
tax..as previously revealed is only legal upon business[on income]..not wages..but also we should have a windfall*..tax/on bonus

like on royalties..or other stuff..imports for egsample
if we get the burden..of a carbon tax..make sure imports have it on them too...

and exports..especially on international cash export/transpher
we are supposedly into a new para-dime..so lets get fair..tax smokers..but tax booze equally[yes wine,,TOO]..and gambling..and any movement of cash over 5000

lets have some serious thinking going on for once
stop serving the beast..remember all that got you into power..was the peoples/vote..its the voters your MEANT-to represent...its time they got a tax-cut...like life the minimum-tax raste to average wages

big taxes on those abouve average...income
you know the difference..damm-it

who you going/to serve..julia
who you going/to serve...tony

by your deeds will you be revealed..or reviled
ok not..in the media..who you serve
but the special hell..
for turn-coats

two faced/twp/party/ex-layers..
thinking they can/make laws..for just-us

how goes that rule
first rule over thy-self

Nairbe, belly et al,

Whilst you would like to believe that the coalition would have to abandon its promises if it were in power, because you would like to believe that the coalition is no better than Labor, the stark reality is that this belief is at best conjecture.

People are judged on what they have done, not on what they might have done. Labor has reneged on just about every promise in the first term, and quite brazenly intends to do the same again in the second term.

Whilst you are so one eyed as to try and ascribe the same duplicitous behaviour that Labor has displayed to the coalition, the actions on the ground do not bear this out.

Dear Hasbeen,

You can't be serious about accusing
Labor of reneging on their promises
when all you have to do is look at the
Libs record of flip-flopping, on so many
issues from the GST, to Howard promising
Costello he'd resign, to Abbott's Industrial
Relations promises - and telling us
"The only way to solve the problem is to stop
the boats!" Can he tells us HOW!

Tell you what, perhaps if we use your one-eye,
and add that to my one-eye - we'd both be
able to get a better bigger picture?

Dear SM,

Just because you keep repeating something doesn't
make it true - but you go right ahead and keep it
up. Its the law of political irony, or when you
attack your enemies, you hurt your friends.

cont'd ...

Dear Hasbeen,

Here's the latest on "reneging,"
for your information:

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/oakeshott-warns-of-mexican-standoff-after-coalition-reneges-on-deal-20100917-15fca.html

I'm surprised at you Foxy. You know that GST claim is a misuse of the truth.

Howard went to the people with a promise of the GST if elected, probably the bravest political action in 60 years, & was elected.

That is a mandate, something your bloke, Keating did not bother with when he sold the commonwealth bank. Just like Gillard, he was not game to stand on his desired, & intended, policy.

Then for leadership deals, we have the template given to us by Hawke/Keating. Perhaps Howard admired Hawke, although I can't imagine why anyone would.

I do agree Howard should have gone gracefully. If he had, & Costello had had the guts to stay around we would not have this silly little girl playing at being PM today. Then again, if he did not have the guts to fight for it, he is probably not enough to have been a good PM.

I would love to share eyes with you Foxy, I'm sure we would agree on most things. However, when it came to politics, I'm afraid we would always be cross eyed.

On your last post, I see by the comments that most people are as sick of this fool as I am. It's a pity that the local papers don't give a lot more time to candidates before an election. This bloke would have hung himself, & never got elected, if he had spouted all this verbal diarrhea before the day.

So we've forgotten "core and non core" promises have we?

The tories have a lot of gall going on about broken promises after their record.

Dear Hasbeen,

You're wrong about my politics actually.
And I have no doubt that we'd have more
in common were we to actually sit down
and discuss things. Don't forget that
I was brought up in a Liberal-voting
family. Menzies was my father's hero.
However, I, like so many, I suspect,
although I don't have all the answers, I
do know that condemnation, aggression,
and telling your own party members that,
"We'll be in power in less than a year,"
to me indicates that you're not going to
work towards parliamentary reform, or
co-operation, but simply you're going to
try to wreck everything you can.
That for me does not sit well - in achieving
anything good for this nation.
You may find this odd - but I found Rob
Oakeshott and Tony Windsor, two credible
members of parliament - and I only wish there
were more people of their ilk as our reps.

Interesting Foxy, I was brought up in a house so strongly Labor that Menzies was very close to a dirty word. It was only in his older years, when a Labor government almost cost him his small business that my father changed.

I had no preference until Richardson's spin, & half truths showed me that Labor no longer stood for anything but power for their elites.

Since then they have continually insulted, & alienated me by expecting me to fall for their obvious lies. They could at least realise we are not all sheep, who can't see through BS, or rusted on supporters who will accept the lies as necessary, & make excuses for them

I had no idea who I would vote for, after Rudd was gone. However, the more I saw of Gillard the more I saw her as a catastrophe in action. Nothing since the election has done anything but reinforce that.

I always love the way SM and Hasbeen automatically attack anyone that dose not hail the conservatives as the holy grail to be some kind of socialist/ communist disease carrying problem.
The two of you are so blind, the lib/lapdog coalition lie constantly but have this incredible arrogance in how they do it nothing ever sticks. If they go back on an iron clad non-core promise it was for your own good.
Never mind your constant posts following the Toni Abbott system of abuse , oppose and yell it so long and hard that eventually people believe you has become very amusing. It will be interesting to see how your posts progress when his constant harassment of the independents to destabilise the government cause his popularity to crash.
You are aware that bullying in the workplace is illegal?

The new Parliament is complex.
Have no doubt getting anything done will be hard.
As independents barter with both sides for different things nothing is sure.
Labor must stop radical green movements, but the conservatives could help , confrontation is their only plan.
Abbott may face the same challenge if he turns independents, interesting to see how he back tracks.
Remember this senate is not controlled by greens.
We still have the bloke from family first,he is on record saying he may be a wrecker.
I doubt ,truly Howard took the GST to an election, the Democrats murdered their party by selling out to him.
Yet I supported it,
so long suckers, how extraordinary that SM can still think like that.
Now Labors ace, if they find the guts, greens want an ETS lets not put the silly one they want in place.
But stand firm know Liberal solidarity will fail on this issue and we are home free.
This basement section of the forum has always been rowdy, more to the point and up front real Australia.
I can stand up for my self but we all should stand by the things we post without aid.

Wasn't in the Lie-berals who actually created the terms "core" and "non-core" promises to explain away their own shortcomings in their first term?

Wasn't it Abbott who said not to necessarily believe everything he says unless it's in writing?

The election's over and a new government has been sworn in.

Why not wait until something actually happens before passing judgement or is the idea to be totally obstructionist and keep dragging us back to the polls until somebody gets the result they want?

Rebutting Shadow Minister is a waste of time.
Threads like taming of the shrew, so long suckers and many ,many more, prove No reason, no balance,no will to keep within touch of reality.
MINORITY GOVERNMENT, that term would have been used to describe a conservative one too.,
So lets stop using it as an insult.
We apparently only want, so we are told, to confront our opponents.
Why then? tell please, are the confrontational threads started by them?
Way for wards is confrontation?
No complaints let the threads run free but let both sides speak as they see fit.
SM is lost in a land of lost dreams and near misses the election is over let the war Begin.

Runner>>anyone who voted for someone who stabbed her leader in the back along with numerous other character flaws gets what they deserve.

Problem is, more voted against her than for her.

Well, I see it as a 'win win' for us the people, as labor will either do a great job, or, they will be voted out so badly next time that I doubt we will see another labor government for decades to come.

And remember, if they do stuff up, they will not have the independents to turn to as they to will be hung by the necks come next election if they and labor fail.

Either labor gets it right, of they will be bannished for years.

So far things are not looking to good for julia. Back flip on the mining tax and a backflip on promises.

"So far things are not looking to good for julia. Back flip on the mining tax and a backflip on promises"

Rehctub,
you were spot on with your post right up till that last line where you fall into the trap of not being able to help yourself but show your bias. In other word no matter what happens you will find a way to denigrate whatever the government does.
I hope they do brilliantly as the whole country needs it and it would be good for the ongoing role of independents and minor parties in our democracy. There is more to gain than loose but if they make a meal of it i will happily hammer them come the next election. Just try and be objective.

Who do we congratulate on the ability of Mr Norris of the Commonwealth bank on achieving his increase to $16 million salary, besides the board of CBA, the Labor party and their de facto partners, the Liberal/National parties? This seems such a wonderful achievement considering the condition of the economy and the fact that so many workers are struggling to make ends meet and many have been delegated to the status of paupers. This partnership does seem to work well on many things, doesn't it, it's a pity that it isn't used to regain the prosperous economy we used to have, isn't it, but that's what modern politics is, isn't it? Suckers

We are the same suckers who voted in Howard's core and non-core promises.

SM you are doing more harm to your party than good.

Labor lost a lot of their vote to the Greens.

So they SHOULD be listening to the voice of those who changed their vote BECAUSE of the promises they made re ETS etc.

They made promises if elected in. THey barely got elected in because of those promises so they SHOULD reneg on them.

They didn't get a mandate so they have every right to tailor their policies to reflect how the people ACTUALLY voted.

Liberal lovers, you're party is renowned for breaking promises, so shut up.

Here we go, they said, he said, she said etc etc etc.
All this while the big problem gets ignored.

Tony Abbot thinks just put up the price of oil and more will squirt out
of the ground. Julia thinks peak oil means another word for global
warming.

The only ones in Canberra that have a clue are Barnaby Joyce, Martin
Ferguson and the Greens.
Martin has his mouth zipped up and Julia has the key.
A modern day chastity belt !

All the rest think a higher price will solve it all.
Problem is that geology does not understand money.

If you understand, stock up on strong walking boots.

All I can say is thank God for mining which allows such an incompetent Government to pretend they are in control of anything. I wonder if the latest blow out in building hotels for illegal immigrants has been budgeted for?. The Broadband farce will continue and at the end of the day the taxpayer will again pay for more incompetence. The Australian public are very very slow learners. Now we have the idiotic Greens who want to impose their faith on the community. Howard and Costello were not perfect but look like absolute champions compared to this desperate mob who will go as far to the right or left in order to cling to power. Meanwhile our country goes down the toilet morally as Labour suck up to the Greens.

" Hasbeen" You could be wrong. If she had put forward more strongly, what she was going to do about carbon reduction, she might have received more votes. You just do not know. Her action is no different than Mr. Howard found himself last elected. He found he had unexpected had control of the Senate. He wasted no time introducing new IR laws that were not mentioned during the campaign. He did it because he could. Ms Gillard has now found that it could be possible to bring in new carbon laws earlier than she thought possible. It would be wrong of her not to. The close vote changed the game. There was a voter backlash against Labor. Most of these votes went to the Greens, who support strong action in reducing carbon. Mr. Abbott cannot accept that Labor did not win outright, but neither did he. In three states, Mr. Abbott did not do well, the vote shifting to Labor. In NSW, the vote was mixed, to Labor in some regions, to the Coalition in others. His strong swing to him was in the mining states where the mining companies had a massive ad campaign. Ms. Gillard has to conduct her government in the present political environment not that which existed before the poll

Trashcan, I struggle to follow your logic. It is as follows:

Labor didn't get a mandate, therefore is not obliged to adhere to any of its promises?

Because the opposition broke promises, The Labor government cannot be criticised?

The reason the greens got so many votes is because Labor moved to the right to counter the attacks from the coalition, making promises with respect to mining, the boats etc.

If labor backs out on all the promises to middle Australia, it may please the labor left, but will alienate the swing voters that gave labor a second chance.

Shadow Minister,

The govt can and should be criticised. I just find it hypocritical of die-hard Coalition supporters to be focusing on it.

The Labor party presented their policies (albeit pathetically) during the election campaign, as did the Liberal party. Neither party received enough support from the electorate based on these policies/promises. Labor only got in because of the support of the Greens and independents, as we all know.

Therefore, with no real acceptance by the electorate for their policies, and an obvious drift of their voters to the Greens, it makes sense that they re-evaluate the way "forward" in terms of policy to reflect the message they have received from the electorate.

Basically, their 'promises' weren't accepted by the electorate, so why should they stick to them?

Shadow Minister indeed is harming his own party.
In every post.
Rechtub please bloke read the papers, Gillards party got MORE not LESS votes 30.000 of them.
And anyone who truly thinks any one got a mandate is silly.
If ten minutes in to the first sitting it swings to Abbott he would tread the same path as Gillard.
YES Labor got a flogging and yes asked for it, but are we blind?
It will be 70 more years before they fall to that level again.
Abbott will never govern us.
Turnbull may.
Confrontation will remove Abbott within a year if Turnbull replaces him Labor will need to be very good to beat him.
If we last twelve months, if the greens get the balance of power a DD election is more than likely why? Abbott will be well out of favor by then.

Belly,

Another prediction. I could put money on the opposite happening.

Good to see you admitting that Labor has no mandate to govern. P.S. 2pp is not the same as votes.

Just wait until Rob Oakeshott caves in to craven self interest.

Belly, with your history of lack of success in the fortune telling business, you really aught to trade your crystal ball in on a spade, & go back to digging holes. I'm sure you'll be more successful at that.

Hasbeen bring that nappy on board, it is changing back to its original color.
SM humble pie, it is very likely you may feast on it.
RO now wants a liberal in the chair!
How do you back away from that?
His speech in taking so long to say he was not going for the job was,, well elongated.
Now soon, you may find your self a fan of this bloke, ROFL!

No why avoid it?
Hasbeen that was,well a low blow.
Sir you infer I am a trench digger it seems you think that is both a lessor life and proof of lower intelligence.
You confirm my view of you bloke, you want in posts like that boat one to impress us you are upper class.
You impose a view of your self on us.
I see it differently.
As a much younger man I often got invites to north shore homes in Sydney, party's and such.
I will remember till I die , and laugh often about it,a self promoter had a display Cabernet full of the high priced brands of liquors and wines, locked.
Each was full of colored water, set to impress.
What few knew this twit had followed me every evening after work and borrowed cash, he never paid me back.
Another who had lent money told me the secrete of those bottles,
Self portraits have never impressed me.
In my long life I have dug trenches even in QLD carried the night soil and rubbish away.
I hasbeen am what I am with pride.
Not the pride misplaced self importance can buy but pride in being me.
That nappy my Friend is on display yet again have you by any chance been raiding your neighbors rubbish bins for used bottles?

"Mr Oakeshott said that, as support was "shifting", he was not prepared to put his name forward to be Speaker."

It would appear that Rob is beginning to read the writing on the wall.

If as I suspected, the pairing arrangement is legally dodgy, it will give Labor 71 votes with 4 independents, and the coalition 73 with one independent.

Things are looking interesting.

P.S. Some more nasty things are beginning to surface from the BER fiasco, and the UN report on internet infrastructure contradicts the basis of NBN.

'Do not look for balance from Hasbeen or SM.'

Hahahaha Nor from Foxy! She's the Goebbels of the ALP. I've never seen anyone as one-eyed, where every benefit of every doubt is given to every ALP pollie, and the utmost cynicism is held for every Coalition pollie.

It gives one the feeling of watching a game at Parramatta Stadium and hearing all the cries of 'Get em onside!' from the pikeys.

Hey you know those old people who listen to talk back radio and agree with everything Ray Hadlee says.

Foxys the equivalent with quoting the Fairfax press like it's gospel.

It's a pity Mike Carlton isn't on the radio any more to entertain Foxy as she waters her geraniums.

I think to even Foxy out, I may have to start quoting Piers Ackerman and Bolts as often as possible.

Dear Houellie,

I don't know whether I should be flattered
or insulted that you'd bother dedicating
two posts entirely on trying to denegrate
me and my opinions. Calling me the "Goebells
of the ALP" (whatever that means), and your
uncalled for other attempts at personal putdowns,
say more about you than they do about me.

However, for the record,
There's something you need explained...
People who make reckless, ignorant,
and malicious claims to achieve political
office are well down on most people's
list to respect, let alone vote for them.

If the Coalition was capable of constructively
holding the Government to account - instead
of trying to destroy everything - perhaps
they just might be taken more seriously by
everyone.

Denigrate? Foxy I'm sorry I didn't know you would take it all so personally and seriously. You obviously don't think you are at all biased. I find that really surprising.

I think you should wear your colours with pride.

Dear Houellie,

Gee, it's hard not to like you!

Howler the only fault I find in foxy is why would she waste time talking to you?
RO Shadow, note this, wants your side in the chair, like most he wants to test Pynes grubby back down.
See if conservatives want Labor to keep its word
Sit down put your seat belt on a wait the ride will be bumpy but mostly down hill for Conservatives if they back down on commitments.
CONSIDER THIS if you take over, if you govern, how will you feel if the other half of this country is as confrontational as you?
If Labor acts just as these fleas on your side are"?

"THE last federal election to produce a hung parliament was in 1940. On that occasion, the incumbent government limped on but the prime minister faced growing party dissent. The opposition, previously in disarray, looked increasingly like a credible alternative government. Eighteen months later, after a parliamentary vote of no confidence, the independents changed sides and the new government won a landslide at the next election, held at the normal time."

History repeating itself?

We will know in 18 months SM.
While it may happen can you say another election held then or today will put you in charge with any certainty.
Seems you are like a kid waiting for Santa he will come but your gift may well be a bitter one.

I go back to what I said before. Labor will no doubt make a meal of the next three years as they would not be game to call a DD election.

So, we simply wait another three years, take back the riens and start to plug the much larger hole left be another term from these incompitent fools.

Remember, the three indp are in no mans land now.

If labor fails, they are doomed.

My bet is they would be S## bricks about now as they need only look back at labors past records, then look forward to what they think they can achieve,'within budget' over the next three.

As the saying goes. Give them enough rope and they will hang themselves.

Happy days ahead.

Isn't it refreshing to have such positive
clairvoyants predicting our country's
future.

I suppose you can live and hope, which is
all very well, but it does seem to overlook
the inconvenient fact that the Opposition in
its entirety failed in their campaign to
persuade voters, or those pesky independents,
that Labors NBN vision was a multibillion-dollar
mistake.

Tony Abbott has likened politics to a game of
snakes and ladders, but so far has made very
few moves on his board, sending off only
one shadow cabinet minister to free up space
for Malcolm Turnbull. The other 18 clung on,
including those Howard-era stalwarts
Bronwyn Bishop, Kevin Andrews and Ian Macfarlane.

Abbott, is still (and some obvious OLO posters),
not persuaded that the campaign
is over and has been talking up the promise
that his line-up gives a safe (some might say calcified)
pair of hands, ready, willing and able to seize the
baton as soon as the independents realise the error
of their ways. Funny though, neither Rob Oakeshott
nor Tony Windsor have given Abbott any encouragement
in this idea.

However as I 've stated previously,
it seems that at least a few of our posters
believe everything that Abbott says. Take the tax on
carbon as an example. When the world's largest
mining company calls for a tax on carbon, it gets
attention. BHP Billiton chief executive
Marius Kloppers took the front pages when he urged
the government to act on climate change without
waiting for other countries to go first, and to look
beyond coal for the future.

For the Coalition of course,
a carbon price is still a great big tax on everything!

But what can we expect from a political party whose
Motto is: "Omnia Deducenda." (Latin for "Everything
Should be Deductible!").

rechtub I do not dislike you bloke[how are the Dragons going now]
But mate what you know about politics can be put in a cigarette paper rolled up and smoked do not burn your lips it will burn fast, nothing inside.
3 indys?
who
3 years can you promise me this Parliament will last 3 months.

No one can say with any certainty how long a government will last. That is doubly so for this one. This one could be very good or collapse quickly. There is no crystal ball that predicts how a re-run of the election would go. Mr. Abbott appears to have changed track. He is now talking about the independents changing alliance from Labor to him. His poll figures must be telling him that a new election is not to his advantage. The problem for Mr. Abbott is that they do not trust him

Foxy, this election was never about tony abbot winning, it was always about whether or not labor could loose badly enough to be voted out and, if not for the electrol roundabout, being the green vote actually being a vote for labor, they would have been thrashed.
As for the ind, well Tony Windsor himself admitted that he preferred libs, but thought labor would offer more stabillity, simply because they would be to affriad to call an early election. Remember, those ind are unlikely to be there next time around.

Now, if you are happy to crow about this and call it a 'win', then good for you.

Just remember, labor has lost a huge majority and only got there via default.

Belly, my prediction is for the tigers to beat the saints and the roosters to beat the titans.

Remember, the sainys only just defeated a depleated manly, then had a week off they didn't need.

Roosters titans final, roosters win.

As for the political scene, panic if either turnbull of costelo make a comeback as madam Pm will not stand a chance against either of them.

Dear rehctub,

The only way the Liberals have been able to
get into government was with the help of
the National Party for approximately the
past fifty years and yet they object to the
formation of the current government.
If you feel that this is something to crow
about - then fair enough. And by the way,
which ever way you slice it - the Australian
Electoral Commission has made the figures
public - and whether you like it or not -
Labor did win the 2 Party Preferred Primary vote.
And if as you claim - this election was not about
Tony Abbott winning - you'd better tell him that,
because he's convinced that the campaign is still
on - from what he and his colleagues are saying,
and the way they're behaving!

What certainty can we have of stability in
government under the Coalition (Libs & National),
when all their actions to date demonstrate
their determination to undermine a legitimately
elelcted government in the interests of destroying
Australian politics no matter what. How can any body
in their right mind entrust the future of the country
to such irrational people?

It's "simply not cricket" for Tony Abbott to take his bat
and smash up the cricket game. But that's apparently
what Catholic little boys were taught in private schools.
My husband is familiar with that sort of mentality -
having himself been educated in a private Catholic School
System.

cont'd ...

And by the way, according to a recent poll,
Julia Gillard was the preferred PM at 54%,
over Tony Abbott at 34%, so obviously there
is something out in the electorate that
shows that people don't want the Coalition
in power.

As for your stating that the independents
won't be around next time. I wouldn't bet
on it. I've have family in country NSW
and Queensland, who no longer trust the
Coalition after supporting them for decades.

Foxy while I got the election results very wrong, it was surely the low point for Labor.
A we are confronted by a Parliament that may fail any day.
Labor has a task, it is to not sell out its own voters by giving too much to the greens.
Yes greens have some great ideas,, and some horrible ones while Labor is at its low point greens are at their highest one.
It is worth noting ,,surely it is, that long time greens mates here in OLO are disturbed by my truly held views .
And like it or not my truthfully held view is some real bile is on display here in OLO from just a few this election result has seen defensive stance take place to defend some.
This threads title is one, now do not get me wrong, it is my view let the titles continue let the bile run free but do not take my right to reply away.
Who would have thought a close and inconclusive election could harness such our right of reply?

Dear Foxy
The difference between the two parties aliences is that the libs and nats went to the election 'as one'. Whereas, a large percentage of green voters, who were in fact X labor, were actually to dumb to realize that a vote for the greens was in fact a vote for labor, whom they had dumped, all due to preferences. Bilnd freddie knows the greens and labor are one. It's just a trick labor keeps up their sleve.

Now, to suggest that labor won ligit government is quite simply a joke. Julia gillard should hold her head in shame as she was thrashed at the polls, just not badly enough ( 86 seats down to 72/3)and, if not for her blind luck in securing the inds she would have added yet another failed trophy to the labor trophy case.

In fact, I would bet Tony Windsor would not have gone that way if she had come clean with the 'day one' mining tax 'back flip'.

I am no fan of TA, but look out if we have a strong leader. Labor will be bannished for decades. I can wait.

Dear rehctub,

We have no choice but to wait.

At least for now.

No back flip rechtub no way.
but your post once again highlights you know very little about politics.
You may not have that time, this confrontational stuff is not working for Abbott.

Belly, what I do see about polotics, is the more one knows about it, the more one eyed they become.

Don't you think!

rechtub, guilty I am quick to return fire.
Not king hit however.
Like you I try to be fair.
Now you see my confrontations here, well I am not truly unhappy with any thing any one says here.
I am angry when support for those views appears from out side the verbal confrontation.
Can I ask you one last time rechtub, do you truly think I am biased?
That my posts have been simple spin?
That because I think far differently than you, with great pride, I am blind?
Have you contributed to threads I started like POWER WITHOUT PRIDE the sell off of NSW voters?
The raised power prices in this state theft from users so private Enterprise wants to buy a more profitable business?
That NSW is right now paying that inflated cost but had no sale? yet it will face higher prices soon,sold out by the ALP?
that in post after post I claim only total defeat will be of use to NSW ALP in fact no rebuilding can commence until the roof falls in.
Are you watching my thread die,the one about Labors first term failures?
Tell me my unbiased mate, what thread do I read to see your comments about your sides mistakes?
A statement like yours comes my way Evey few weeks here, and only proves some TRULY can not see others views are truly held and not give air to the idea each of us gets it wrong.

Well belly, my side is not as much 'my side' as is your side to yourself, if that makes sence.

In fact, I would always vote for who I think is best to govern, that's why in my voting life I have voted for labour, the nats, the libs and a few inds in my time, whereas, from what I see, I doubt you would vote for anyone other than labor. After all, that is your right, but I recon you would either vote labor, or not at all. Would I be right there?

Now as for tony abbot, I am not a fan, infact, I would have much preferred malcom turnbul, it's just that like K-rudd (for foxys benefit) he insisted in adopting a price on carbon before going to copenhagen, and that proved to be a huge mistake. The idear had merrit, but the timming was wrong.

Personally, I would prefer a coalition government run by a good strong team, only because labor punishes small business. So for that, I am bias.

Now, more importantly, can the saints beat the roosters. Personally, I doubt it, but best of luck anyway. I think carney, anasta and pearce are just to good, as The best defence is no match for the best attack.

BTW, rumor up here is that we may be getting benny back!

Only in the spirit of mate ship I will answer you mate.
I have given great thought and even pain to my choice but it is firm.
I may be wrong but I do not say this lightly.
OLO is in my view no longer a place for open two sided debate on politics.
this is my last post here on the subject.
I will remain if able to but find another forum to talk politics.
My you over look some of my posts, I have voted against Labor, once
I will again in March.
Right now factional leaders from my side of NSW Labor are sitting around planning to produce a pig,in about February.
It will be fattened on election day, presented as a future Prince, then sold as the ALP.
Those factional leaders, WHO EVER they are should pack one third of the NSW government into a barbed wire boat and head of as soon as a great Storm developers into the Tasman sea.
Right now here this lover of the UNION MOVEMENT/ALP is going on record my members/workers goto work each day in fear government ministers not fit to be in the house with a mop and broom in there hands talk to those who will try to lead them to the polls but are about to fail.
This election is months away the result is already in stone ,a man few know few trust even less like will lead conservatives to the best victory in their history.
Not bad for a biased fool mate is it? Dragons by 15.
And finally I do not care if I am banned for life the shrapnel damage done by this election has for me left the bitter taste talking politics here is fishing in a dry dam.
for those who doubt read my last 100 posts in such threads read the same number of those who I speak, find an open thought about inside politics from their side that equals mine.
Show me, the balanced comments, tell me why my side singled out.