And that's another thing, future of australia.

>>I am looking for genuine debate in regards to the ideas mentioned and you are welcome argue against any of my proposals, minus the personal insults<<

You say that, but you really don't mean it.

Well, apart from the personal insults bit, of course.

You do mean that part.

But as for the rest, while you may possibly be sincere in looking for a "genuine debate", the material you present doesn't allow for that possibility.

It is - and I'm sure that you agree with me on this point - a wishlist of utopian ideas. How does one argue against a wishlist?

The ideas themselves are little more than a bunch of candy-floss generalizations, wrapped up in a comfy cocoon of idealism, and tied together with a pretty pink bow of niceness. And I'm sure that this is because you are a thoroughly nice person.

But it is obvious, right from the outset (your paragraphs on "Education") that you have no interest in addressing life "as it is", but prefer to imagine an entirely different life... "if only".

Debating this would be like trying to catch sunbeams in a butterfly net. Lots of dancing around making elegant gestures, with nothing to show for the effort.

While explaining the harsh realities to you would be like smacking a puppy.

rechtub I know you do not understand.
But if we put tariffs back on the first to suffer would be our farmers international markets would close to them.
Cheaper plant and a great deal of imported needs would not be around.
An understanding of the impacts of shutting our doors to international trade could help you

<<But as for the rest, while you may possibly be sincere in looking for a
"genuine debate", the material you present doesn't allow for that possibility.>>

The ideas can easily be debated, see here:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3877&page=6

Perhaps they cant be debated in the excruciating detail that you require

in order to find the opportunity to level insults, which i suspect gives you great pleasure.

I think this is what you meant when you said 'the material doesnt allow for debate'

TZ5>>The further to the right we go, our human rights are diminished

Now that's a very good point, just try telling this to the likes of China and India, our future global competitors.

Like it or not, our rights as workers are simply un-sustainable if we wish to survive in 20 or 30 years from now.

Employers are no longer 'free agents' as they have so many hoops to jump through, yet, employees are free to pick and choose when and where to work, at a time that best suits them. The system is out of balance.

These rules and restrictions were not there 20, 30 years ago and, most who wanted work, found it. Most who worked and wanted a house, could afford it. These days, going into business has a hole lot of rules that simply were not there before and, I feel the 'up-take' of people going in to SB will decline, then what.

Remeber, small business comes with 'risks' and 'rewards'. Now if the risks out favour the rewards, it will be 'game over'.

My lease runs out in 2 and a bit years and I doubt I will re-sign as it is simply not worth it, esspecially when I can earn easy money as a supermarket, meat jocky, working 40hrs per week.

And belly, you are right, I don't understand tariffs, but I am keen to learn.

Critique of your manifesto does not require deep thought, future of australia.

>>Perhaps they cant be debated in the excruciating detail that you require...<<

Or detail. As I mentioned before, they contain so little of any substance, debate of any kind is impossible.

[Education] "Schools will be amalgamated so that there is only one school in each district. Beside the school we will build all the public amenities such as Parks, sports fields, tennis and basketball courts, Pools and a large well-furnished Library."

In which universe can this possibly be achieved? Certainly not one that contains cities. If we all lived in leafy suburbs, with acres of unused space, you just might manage one or two isolated examples - much like the "new towns" that were devised in post-war Britain.

I suggest you do some research on what happened to "new town" concepts such as Stevenage, Basildon and Welwyn Garden City, who also tried the kind of social engineering that so clearly underpins your ideas.

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Basildon

Any form of command-and-control government freakery is, to me, the worst possible vision that we can have of our future. It can only lead to the suppression of the individual in the "service" of the state.

And it is this "we know what is best for you" idea that permeates your site.

The reason for my (possibly over-) reaction to your site is that it symptomatic of this attitude. Underneath the "wouldn't it be nice" idealism is an assumption of the masochism of the masses, whose burning desire is for a benevolent dictator to tell them what to do.

>>...in order to find the opportunity to level insults, which i suspect gives you great pleasure.<<

If you feel offended that this is my opinion, that is something that I regret.

But far from giving me any pleasure, I feel great sadness, in that you also represent a far too prevalent conceit of the post-internet generation.

Which is that communication is, by and of itself, a substitute for thought, reason and logic.

So belly, given that we think about the same subject, just where do you see us in the year 2030.

In the year 1990, a good electric drill cost about $200. Today, you can still buy that drill for $200, yet, if it fails it will cost you $50 just to have an Aussie look at it. 20 years ago it would have been looked at for free and fixed for five bucks, if that.

Cloths, shoes etc are no longer made here as we can’t afford the wages.

Farmers can’t afford to pick their crops on a Sunday any more because of the wages. In fact, many are selling up as their land has become to valuable for the return they receive by farming.

Gen Y and Alpha has this perception that they can finish school, go to Uni and get a degree and get a job on $80K plus. Trouble is, it’s real. Meanwhile our police, many of whom risk their lives on a daily basis, get paid far less than that.

So, what do we do?