Proxy mate...I'll save you the trouble of posting links for stubborn Pericles.

Atlas des Zones urbaines sensibles= Sensitive Urban zones.

http://sig.ville.gouv.fr/Atlas/ZUS/

Now...Pericles will take issue of course with the equating of

"sensitive" zone with 'nogo zone' but in so doing he will demonstrate his singular lack of understanding of 'diplomatic' language.

"Sensitive" in diplomatic speak is 'NO GO ZONE' in 'man on the street' talk.

As to 'relinguished control' ? I suppose Pericles would require these areas to have succeeded from the Republic and the French Government to have done nothing about it to qualify for that.. but then.. Pericles often misses the point by focusing on Pedantics and semantics.

Would it MATTER if the French Government has 'relinguished' control or that they are 'no go zones' ? ? ? If they are nogo zones, they have, in fact for practical purposes relinguished control.

Proxy plays it rough, in time most will understand not to feed him/her.
Pay TV, today waiting for the NRL, honor killing in America, how many Christians would kill daughters for being in love?
Sorry every creed stands between man and a better world each ignoring the rest each at some time teaching us to hate.
The middle ages are past let us move on.

A perfectly understandable cop-out, Proxy.

>>Pericles, However I respond to you, you just jerk me around.,,

I just question your assumptions, and your conclusions, that's all. Oh, and point out when you try to pass off your ramblings as "fact".

If that's "jerking you around", then you should continue to expect more of the same.

>>I could waste my time by posting references but it would make no difference to you.<<

If you had any, you'd post them. Because while it may "make no difference" to me, it might at least provide you with the modicum of credibility that you presently lack.

>>You would simply delight in baselessly refuting or ignoring them and then respond with more inanities and demands.<<

Or, possibly, simply point out that you are just another whack-a-mozzie agitator, who is intent on airing their tacky prejudices at every opportunity.

>>You appear to delight in being obtuse.<<

For "being obtuse", read "asking questions that I know you are unwilling to answer".

Still, you at least have Boaz in your corner. No surprises there, of course.

>>Pericles will take issue of course with the equating of "sensitive" zone with 'nogo zone'<<

Boaz, it is only people like you and Daniel Pipes who call these zones "no-go areas"

If you had even the most passing acquaintance with the French language, you would know that these are areas that the government has singled out for "special assistance". Here's the detail:

http://www.insee.fr/fr/methodes/default.asp?page=definitions/zone-urbaine-sensible.htm

Yes, the reason they require assistance is because they are economically disadvantaged, and yes, many have a high percentage of immigrants living there.

But that doesn't make them no-go areas.

Only your fear, loathing and wilful ignorance will do that.

And of course, that personification of even-handed analysis, Daniel Pipes.

“If Sharia law is implemented, then you can turn this country (UK) into a haven of peace because once a thief’s hand is cut off nobody is going to steal.
“Once, just only once, if an adulterer is stoned nobody is going to commit this crime at all.
“We want to offer it to the British society. If they accept it, it is for their good and if they don’t accept it they’ll need more and more prisons.”
Suhaib Hasan, Secretary General of the Islamic Sharia Council"

Everything you didn't want to know about Sharia but were too politically correct to bother asking:

"Sharia law has been implemented in the UK since the early 1980s by Sharia Councils and since 2007 by Muslim Arbitration Tribunals.
Attention has been focussed on these courts since 2008 when the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams and retiring Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales, Lord Phillips of Worth Matravers, suggested that Sharia had a positive role to play in the settlement of disputes.
Contrary to the claims of its proponents, however, the decisions of Sharia and other religious courts are arbitrary and discriminatory, particularly against women and children.
The following report based on an 8 March 2010 Seminar on Sharia Law, research, interviews, and One Law for All case files, aims to provide evidence of the discriminatory nature of these courts and make recommendations for curtailing Sharia and religious tribunals on the basis that they work against and not for equality, and are incompatible with human rights."

Sharia Law in Britain -
A threat to one law for all and equal rights:
http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/New-Report-Sharia-Law-in-Britain.pdf

It will never happen here?

“In some suburbs of Paris, and in some French cities, the immigrant population is so large there is no integration any more. Satellite TV has changed everything. Now the only place children speak French is in school. At home they watch Moroccan or Algerian TV. It's harder now for young immigrants to integrate. There is no more universal military service. The schools are ghettoised”.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/france-mourns-end-of-race-melting-pot/story-e6frg6ux-1225782288277

So these two (unnamed) UK "former Islamists" are somehow the official spokespersons for all the rest? Talk about spilling the beans on some sort of vast global conspiracy.

What Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Atheist (and the rest) individuals are recognised as speaking on behalf of the rest of everybody else.

It would save everybody a lot of time if we knew who they were and they could just out all the world's problems between themselves.