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Islamic Jihad - Violent unacceptable but non-violent OK?

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Proxy,there is more chance of Bushe's/Obama's "New World Order" financed by global corporates happening than an Islamic one.All facists dream of world dominance be they religious,communist,or capitalists.

Presently we live in an oligarchy in which the corporate elites determine the nature and power of our Govts.This is more of a concern than an Islamic threat.Treachery and oppression nearly always comes from within.
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 6 August 2010 9:29:13 PM
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Sadly correct Severin- I did some looking around and found quite a few branches of the KKK are permitted to operate here. I've found most governments around the world (ours being no exception) rarely ever ban a group unless it itself specifically functions as a terrorist group, specifically in contexts politically relevant to that government.

An extremist advocacy group, or the political wing of a terrorist group are usually left alone due to the difficulty (real or imagined) of trying to ban a group on less-direct grounds than actually organizing terrorist activity.
Posted by King Hazza, Friday, 6 August 2010 10:18:20 PM
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The Guardian is a perfectly acceptable source, Proxy.

>>Pericles, Is the Guardian sufficiently left-leaning to give this story credibility in your eyes?<<

Although what "left-leaning" has to do with it is anybody's guess.

Perhaps it is because they also reported that:

"In effect, Quilliam – a body funded very generously by the government through Prevent – are attempting to set themselves up as arbiters of who is and is not an acceptable Muslim. Their document specifically contains a McCarthy-type list of large and established Muslim organisations that they regard as suspect and smears them as being 'Islamists'."

Interesting observation.

And what about this?

"The report was addressed personally to [Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism Director General] Farr and says it is not to be seen by civil servants, only by him, ministers and their special advisers."

Perhaps because the document wouldn't stand scrutiny, and therefore shouldn't be taken too seriously.

Except, of course, by people with that good ol' axe to grind.

Grind away, guys.

It's not a pretty sight, but we are getting used to it.
Posted by Pericles, Friday, 6 August 2010 10:30:38 PM
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I wouldn't have expected anything else from you Pericles.
Twist the story to fit your own paradigm and then ignore its substance.
Posted by Proxy, Saturday, 7 August 2010 9:08:20 AM
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Hi Kettle.

>>I wouldn't have expected anything else from you Pericles. Twist the story to fit your own paradigm and then ignore its substance.<<

Pot calling.
Posted by Pericles, Saturday, 7 August 2010 10:51:36 AM
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Dear Proxy,

You ask the question, does anyone think this is a
serious enough issue to concern Australians?

According to Professor Abdullah Saeed the answer
is a clear and resounding - "No!"
Prof. Saeed is Associate Professor and Head of the
Arabic and Islamic Studies Program at the Melbourne
Institute of Asian Languages and Societies, University
of Melbourne. In his book, "Islam in Australia," he
tells us that:

"Calls for jihad against the West are often made by
those who are outside Australia and such calls have
no audience in the main-stream Australian Muslim
community. Australian Muslims argue that it is unfair
to label all Muslims as adopting a view of jihad that
is supported by militants and extremists elsewhere,
and that Muslims in Australia have not adopted a
militant interpretation of the doctrine. The
statements made by the Australian Federation of Islamic
Councils, state and territory Islamic councils, Islamic
societies, imams and community leaders in relation to
attacks against the West, such as September 11, and
Bali bombing, all attest to this."

As Professor Saeed states, "Muslims agree that every
single community on earth has small minorities who do
not fit into the bigger picture. For example, in
Australia the vast majority of inhabitants are
law-abiding citizens. It is only a very small minority
who are criminals. The fact that there are such
criminals within Australian society cannot be used to
make the statement that the Australian community is
criminal, bloodthirsty, murderous and violent. Perhaps
a closer analogy lies with the Christian community.
While there exist a small number of cults and extremist
right-wing Christians who commit acts of violence, the
overwhelming majority of Christians are peaceful,
law-abiding citizens whose religion teaches them to treat
others as they would wish to be treated themselves."

Whatever the reasons behind the actions of some militants
in the Muslims world, Australian Muslims have no interest
whatsoever according to Prof. Saeed, in extremism, violence,
killing, murder, suicide bombing and so on. They live
normal lives and detest the association of Islam and
muslims with violence and aggression.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 7 August 2010 11:39:30 AM
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