runner, I have no doubt that Phil Grano (the subject of the article to which woulfe linked) believes in "the death and Resurrection of Christ".

That makes him just as Christian as you, doesn't it?

Runner....

Not sure you've supplied the full answer.

"Most wanting to define their self righteous view of Christianity certainly don't believe the Scriptures."...how do you know that?

"It is the sick who need a doctor and going by the self righteous rants of many I don't think they have been diagnosed."... hmm, being 'diagnosed' might be in the eye of the beholder Runner.

"The death of Christ was a useless hoax"... stop there while you are ahead.... "if we could receive eternal life any other way other than Him" but you have no idea if there is 'eternal life' only a bad dream that there is such a fate.

"Fortunately it was not a hoax" come on!... "unlike some of the modern day ones like gw"... what is 'gw'?

So, all you describe is what so-called Christians might believe. Surely, if all those who claim to be 'Christian' generally believe what you outline, then they are Christian?

But what about all those who say they are 'Christian', yet do horrible things, and are denounced as being 'not real Christians' by people who insist that they have the right to determnbe who is and who is not a 'real Christian'?

And, if that is all that makes a person a Christian, then what about 'Christian values' such as Julie Bishop says she can recognise in others (but not in herself as I read her life)?

List the 'Christian values' that no one else has.... all ears still.

Dear The Blue Cross,

"Vinnies" (St Vincent de Paul),
a Catholic lay organisation founded
to support and care for the poor,
was introduced into Australia
in 1854.

Dr Paul Collins, in his book, "Believers,"
tells us that:

"The growth here has been remarkable. In 2007
there were 19516 members and volunteers in
New South Wales and the Australian Capital
Territory, 7973 in Queensland, 7682 in Victoria,
and 7300 in the other states and the Northern
Territory. Nationally there are almost 42500
members and volunteers, easily making it
Australia's largest charity."

"Members serve through local parish 'conferences'
in which social and class distinctions are ignored.
'Need' is the only test applied. No one is asked
about their religion, race, social status, gender
preference, or belief. The local conference works
through home visitation and directly assists needy
families and people with food vouchers and the
payment of bills. These parish-based conferences are
free of clerical control; this is the work of
self-directed laity whose aim is to meet the needs of
those most marginalised in society. Volunteers don't
have to be Catholics; in some places more than half
are not."

"What is extraordinary is the range of services offered
by Vinnies in New South Wales and the ACT. Its 37
facilities provide 692 beds and 36 outreach programs:
14 facilities for single, homeless men (356 beds),
six for single women (48 beds), five for families
(49 beds and cots), two for men with children (22 beds
and cots), seven for women with children (199 beds and
cots), and two for young people (18 beds). In Sydney,
Liverpool and other New South Wales towns night patrols
provide soup kitchens and provide sandwiches and warm
drinks as well as friendship for people sleeping rough."

In the other states and territories the Society provides
parallel services.

The total number of people annually assisted by Vinnies
is an extraordinary 1.8 million.

The Salvation Army provides similar services and they
are very up-front about publicising their activities.
In contrast, Vinnies are unobtrusive, publicity-shy,
de-centralised, less hierarchical, and far less
obviously prominent. They represent Catholicism at its
best.

Hiii Fraccy :) I've missed you. Sorry to hear of your ill health. Hope you recover soon. Re Foxy.. she is a crafty one.. you think she is sincere..and I do also, but sincerly misguided in a dangerous way..ie.. if her uncautious uncritical attitude spread.. we would be more vulnerable to many devious forces.

Pericles has a way about him.. dates.. times.. overlaps.. amazing.
To think..he can do all that just to try to damage someone, yet he cannot lift a finger or a keystroke to determine if there is a reasonable foundation to what people say.

This is explained by the fact that Pericles is not a person of faith.
Same as CJ and some others.. but those two are the most notorious.
Because of this, their outbursts present a challenge and need compassion. (seriously) How can one condemn such behavior when it comes from such a tragic human condition. (unrealized it seems)
I should refrain from such criticism.. I've dished out a bit of late.

Pericles... for the record, the only time I deliberately infringed the rules was the 'no this is me' one...and that was not for my sake but for Hermans..and for those who thought it was me.

Anything else you observe is certainly not deliberate.. I've never posted (to my recollection) under 2 nicks at one time. I deleted all other accounts that I'm aware of.

Seems I've caused quite a fuss with all this attention :) woopee.
It's better than being ignored I guess.

I don't mind a bit of robust back and forth.. after all.. this is the kind of place for it.

I was just warming to Ginx and her colorful rhetoric.. but she was banned.

Wasn't Adolph Hitler a Catholic? If he was maybe he understood Christian values better than the rest of us, after all they did crucify the boss, just lucky for Syd he became a Catholic because its the only way to get a ticket into heaven, is it not, regardless of what else you may do in life, so Sister Mary told me at convent school, and she should know, had been in the club for about 60 years, I was 8 years old.
I don't think Christians have a monopoly on lunacy, plenty of our Muslim (and others) brethren are just as ratty, all in the name of religion. The only true religion is Amway so all you members of Nutrimetics can burn in hell!

Even if this were true...

<<To think..[Pericles] can do all that just to try to damage someone, yet he cannot lift a finger or a keystroke to determine if there is a reasonable foundation to what people say.>>

How on Earth would the lack of “faith” - something that makes a virtue out of not thinking - explain the above?

<<This is explained by the fact that Pericles is not a person of faith.>>

And all the while referring to Pericles as the “Fact Ferret”.

I’m speechless.