One Australian I admire is Fred Nile. His bold declaration of truth despite having urine thrown at him and being spat at is admirably. Any Christian who stands for any kind of godliness is likely to receive this kind of treatment from fundies from the secular field. Fred has been fighting for what is decent for a long time now. He deserves a medal.

Dear Aime
thanx for that interesting self disclosure and sharing.

Let me comment on one point....

"Were these really disciples of God?"

Absolutely not!

They were servants of a beaurocratic human structure, bereft of the Holy Spirit and of love in my opinion.

I think your current position is could be a reaction to that experience as much as anything else.

Yep..we could indeed do the 'religious talk' thing :) and your conclusion is possibly correct "agree to disagree"

But please don't discount the reality of the Holy Spirit who can and does change hearts. All I can say is please look further.. look deeper.. explore the real Jesus.. if possible by forgetting the atrocious experience in the RC church/school system.

You will meet Him in any of the Gospels :)

It helps a lot to meet or know a warm hearted true believer. That can be very therapeutic.

Thanx Runner..yep Fred is a bloke who will not compromise and you always know where you stand with him. He's probably a bit rigid for my style, but .. we need all types :)

AGIR, when I first came here to this website I read in a thread that you are in fact a poster who used to go by the name Boazy (or something like that). This was confirmed by Mr Young, the owner of this site.

What happened? Why did you sign up again under a different name? Were you banned? Or did you merely go away, and come back under a new name? What were the circumstance regarding you not continuing to use your original name?

Should you answer these questions? I think "yes". After all you're a good Christian. Good Christians are just like Jesus, in as much they have nothing to hide, after all they're "good"....... and honest. So tell us Boazy, what happened? Don't forget to tell the truth now!

I ask these questions so I can get a better handle on where you're coming from with this topic. It seems a bit odd that the thread title is virtually a copy of Foxy's title. Would this thread have been started by you if Foxy had not started her thread? I think we all know the answer to that one. I'm trying to get a handle on how "genuine" you really are with this topic. Depending on your answers to my questions, I may, or may not, directly address the actual topic.

“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God”
Bible quote

Based on this gem from the Bible, I would say the chances are poor old Syd's burning in Hell right now.

Also to be a true follower of Christ (christian) wasn't there something about casting off all your worldly goodies.

Hi Benq

yes..I was under another name 'back then'.. and I was banned..for a whole year :) sin binned.

I'm not sure exactly why but I think it happened just after I called some ex politician an 'idiot'..and I mean't it.. in the technical sense of the word.. making poor judgements which were likely to harm our community and peace.. I don't say those things just to abuse people.

The reason for the current name, is one of 'incarnational activism' you might say.. Al Gore is the primary (false) prophet of 'Global Warming/Climate Change'... and his is very very rich..and he has his fingies in a company called 'Generation Investements' LLP
http://www.generationim.com/about/team.html
That company is one of the 10 top shareholders in a carbon trading company "CLimate Exchange" Europe.
http://www.climateexchangeplc.com/investor-relations/shares-in-issue-top-10-holders

Just look down the list.

Gore is closely connected to one Maurice Strong the UN 'Mr Environment' of a few years ago until a scandal made him run for cover.
Strong gave us the
-Stockholm Conference
-Earth Summit in Rio
out of which Kyoto came ..

Kyoto involves a lot about 'Carbon Trading'....

He is a director of the Chicago Climate Exchange (Gore is a shareholder)

http://www.chicagoclimatex.com/content.jsf?id=67

Please check the links to confirm this information.

It's like this.

GORE TO THE WORLD "We are all DOOOOMMMMEDDD...we must have Cap and TRADE laws"

Gore to his Stockbroker "Bill... buy me more shares in the CCX"

Hence my name :)

PS.. the Greens have 132 pages of 'sustainable climate' bill
I have less than 350 words..
-Carbon Tax (small)
-Leading to Subidized Solar arrays+Grid connect inverters for homes.

OUTCOME .. reduced carbon footprint, lower electricity costs.

Ben...sorry I didn't answer some questions of yours.

Would this thread have been started if Foxy had not done hers?

Unlikely. I did it in the interess of balance and fairness.
It also provides a way of expressing views which foxy could be intolerant of.

Grateful has used the other thread as a proselytizing tool, rather than just speaking about people from his faith making a contribution.

I feel we don't need to link 'positive' contributions to specific faiths...but when people DO....then it can evoke a response.

Paul.. taken to extremes "cast off this worlds goods" can lead to the Millerites selling everything and going to some hill in expectation of the 2nd coming. Look at Acts 2 for some guidance there please.
(and Marx thought he was original ? :)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+2&version=NIV
verses 42 to end of chapter.

The eye of the needle was a physical place. It was a bit of a squeeze if on donkey back I'm told, but not impossible. Again.. you need to understand Jesus method of speaking "If you hand sins..cut it off"

Do you see his method ?

BENQ..back2u.. mind filling me in on your own perspective.. political affiliation religious if any, leanings...activism etc ? :)