Pelican

Your assessment of the Public Service validates my experience. However, as you say it is not relevant to rechtub's topic.

Another way that rechtub may reduce the wages he pays to the people who keep in in business (AKA employees) is perfectly illustrated in the following Dilbert cartoon:

http://tinyurl.com/2ctqugt

Well, if you lot, my fan club, can all just distance yourself from attacking me personally and think of what I have asked, you may well understand where I come from.

I had two seperate incidents occurr today.

Firstly, I deliverd some meat to a local hotel and, when I asked the staff member if they thought they would be busy today, being mothers day, she replied, "I hope not".

Secondly, I went to dinner with my 'adult kids' and my wife and we had the worst service you could imagine, even to the point that they forgot to cook our food.

Those staff responsible will be expecting to be paid for the hours they worked today and have little regard for whether or not the owner makes money.

Why should they be paid an hourly rate? They both cost the employer money. The first one certainly does not care about her boss.

Fortunately for her the boss is woolworths, so they have to jump through hoops to sack her, even though she is not worth having.

Now someone mentioned 'bonning beef' as a 'piece worker'.

This practice was widely used in the meat processing plants, however I think the unions have all but chopped this out as the slower workers just couldn't keep up. So now most workers work slow as they can't see the point in working hard for no reward.

Can you blame them?

Anyway, I think the wheels are about to fall off, if Mr Dud has his way, and many of these 'dead beats' will be on the streets and bosses will be able to pick and choose again so they get their monies worth.

I don't have a problem as I only hire the best and pay for them.

Sorry belly, if they are to old to keep up, I to would have to let you go because I am forced to pay an hourly rate, regardless of how little, or how much you do. After all, I'm not a charrity you know.

Funny how things have a way of working themselves out, hey!

Rechtub you sound exactly like my 'business brother'; in fact you may be related! Such a thing as loyalty when you may one day be without staff and the older employee, now retired, may be the only person to help you out during a most busy difficult week or month! If you treat others how you wish to be treated, the employees you have should be totally hardworking and loyal. Being butchers, I'd be looking over my shoulder, if I were you, if you do not treat them with respect and fairness.

rehctub
Receiving bad service is not pleasant but do you know why? Was it a poor employee who had little care or little competency? Or was it a dodgy employer who never has enough people on shift to ensure work is able to be performed to a high standard and hences standards slip.

One experience of bad service could also be a sign of lack of adequate training. Maybe the owner was the cook.

You cannot change an entire wage system based on one bad experience in a hotel or restaurant.

I tried a percentage of profit scheme, in my remanufactured auto components business.

It brought me a load of pain, as almost all the staff believed I made at least 3 or 4 times as much proffit as I did. Most believed I was ripping them off, [with a bonus scheme].

In a manufacturing business, in another time & place, I used a different system. As rehctub says, this was not as fair for the best workers, but better for me, & perhaps most staff.

I would state a monthly turnover figure, we had to achieve, [always achievable], for a each month of a 3 month period, & give everyone a 5% or 10% raise, if it was achieved.

I did not have to worry about poor workers, as the staff, wanting the raise, would get them going for me. Slackers did not last long.

The staff must have liked this system. I lost none of those who gave a days fair work, over a long period.

I also prefered to train, & promote from within. My sales manager started as a junior storeman, & my accountant as an acounts clarke, for example

Hang on a moment...rechtub has hit on something here.

Why not pay fat people more, or less, than skinny people?

This pay-by-weight idea has legs I think.

We could starve fat and overweight people into action, to save our national health bill from the costs of obesity and diabetes.

Brilliant rechtub.

But should we have a debate about what level of profits are 'right' before we start sharing them out even-Stephens?

And what about the ability of the wealthy to avoid and evade tax, making no 'profits' available to share?

Shall we start with a new tax system, on turnover not profit?

Clearly recthub is a CIS member, and an avid listener to Duffy.