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The Forum > General Discussion > The CALL for a CALIPHATE: Hizb Ut Tahrir say yes.

The CALL for a CALIPHATE: Hizb Ut Tahrir say yes.

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All mate...I read that report card... what I find intersting is these 2 statements.

Under 'Suggestions for the future" there is:

-"Push diversity rather than homogeneity"

Then further down (this is the funny bit)under the heading
Threats and challenges withIN the community is:

-"Racial discrimination within community"

Well all I can say is THANX to them for doing my work, i.e. proving that prpomoting diversity results in RACIAL DISCRIMINATION as is their experience. duh.

I hope you guys will all visit the protest site, and if possible click on the 'discussion'tab and leave a little comment :)
Cheers all

http://www.caliphateprotest.wikispaces.com
Posted by BOAZ_David, Thursday, 11 January 2007 9:07:20 PM
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I will not relax, I will not wait for the contemptable anti Australian element in this group to understand they insult both us and honest fair minded Muslims.
I shall not stop waiting for such as Trad to stop useing lies as a defence of idiotic bigoted anti Australian statments.
But I long ago weareid of claims to have real concerns makes me racist to some who denie me the right to free speach and thought.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 11 January 2007 9:36:28 PM
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Leigh, the people and groups that I referred to are no more my "kind" than are Osama bin Laden, the Taliban or Hizb Ut Tahrir (or you, for that matter).

"Do you have a problem with substance abuse... Please let me know if I can be of any assistance to you."

Why? What have you got on offer?
Posted by CJ Morgan, Thursday, 11 January 2007 10:10:32 PM
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Hi Belly I see your passion mate.... have you had a look at the caliphate protest web site yet mate ?

That is the result of me feeling the same as you, but taking it one step further and doing something concrete about it, something all of us can share in and participate in..even CJ :)

In the light of our brilliant pet Sheikhs reported comments:
"Anglo Saxons are the biggest liars in the world"
"Muslims have more right to be in Australia than decendants of convicts"
"The courts were racist in the sentences of Bilal Skaff" etc

Wouldnt you all like some means of expressing your feelings also ?
For future reference, you can form a 10-TEAM, a group of likeminded individuals who can occassionaly get together to discuss such issues, and forumate lawful methods of challenging them.
I have a vision of large numbers of 10-Teams around Australia, who can be activated at short notice to provide a different voice to such as above at strategic locations and events such as this Kalipha seminar.

They would have a common set of principles on which they are based.

The number 10, is 1 less than what can be considered 'riot' if problems occur and is also 2 full car loads.

I recall from the old Testament, they had 'commanders of 10s, of 100s and of 1000s' and Gengis Khan also had this strategy. Each village had a responsibility to contribute x number of people.

10-TEAM-MAX will have extra skilling, and be available for more advanced roles such as security.

Well, just an idea :)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Friday, 12 January 2007 6:15:06 AM
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Hi Boaz_David,

In fairness to the Khilafah conference link you posted at the beginning, the flier did refer to political change throughout the “Muslim” world. Is Australia classified as part of the Muslim world? Even so, I wonder what kind of political change they propose, because as long as Muslims adhere to some of the draconian texts in the Koran they are likely to get an equally draconian political system. Sure Western society is over run by drug taking, pot smoking, thieving, vandalising, belligerent and debauched dopes, but I would rather have separation of religion and state any day. I came across an interesting annotated version of the Koran (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/ ) that highlights some of its inconsistencies and absurdities. A couple that bemused me: 2:256 “there is no compulsion in religion” and 2:282 "And call two witness from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not at hand, then a man and two women.".
Posted by Robg, Friday, 12 January 2007 9:50:52 AM
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Rob... you hit the nail exactly on the head mate !

1/ What kind of political change...
2/ Among the Muslim world.....

The best place understand that, is from those they most often refer to, i.e. Quran, Hadith and Biographies of Mohammed.

I've summarized quite a bit of where this would lead.. given that Islam is as much POLITICAL as it is religous, its a package deal.
The major problem I find is that as Muslim communities become 'States' (as they did in Medina) it is unavoidable that neighbouring entities will them as a threat.
This occurred right from day one. The surrounding tribes at first.. Mohammeds own tribe the Quraysh, and then the Jewish tribes, and then the Arab Christian tribes all intimidated or invaded and brought into the "Islamic" Caliphate. The bigger it becomes, the more of a threat it is, and hence, those on the border will take measures to ensure their security.
This then leads to Mohammed (or his modern day flunkies) 'gaining intelligence' of plans to confront them, and them attacking first.
I outline most of this here http://www.truetruth.wikispaces.com

That site links to this one http://www.islamundressed.com which is extremely well documented also.

The 'Only in the Muslim world' is a clever ploy to distract from the truth.
Have a look at this while your surfing.. its quite chilling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm8XY01Er_E It happened in Melbourne.

RANIER.. r u there mate ? have a look too please.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Friday, 12 January 2007 6:57:48 PM
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