"Sure, its good to see that the church itself recognizes the problem, and is taking steps to ensure the practices don't continue.

But that does not absolve them from i) admitting to their previous criminality and ii) facing the music for it."

The Pope is working to sweep the filth. Criminality isn't tolerated. Anyway most criminally involved are dead or in jail.

Rest of article linked to above
"Teachers, who have charge of children, seem to have escaped unscathed in the media. The profession had this apparent immunity despite the fact that we all have to pay taxes for public schools. (No one is forced to support a Church.)

When the priest scandal took off like a rocket, I expected the teacher troubles to follow the same path. After all, school dealings are usually a matter of public record and open to press scrutiny. What I saw was a double standard growing and growing....

Oh, yes, there would be the occasional well-covered titillation story about a woman teacher having an "affair" with a student...

I witnessed this while at the AP and kept my mouth shut. At my age and a retread, I was lucky to have a job. Now I am free to speak. If you want, do your own search on the Net. As far back as December 1998, Education Week was reporting on "Passing the Trash," recounting how school districts freed sexual predators "to hunt again." Education World followed a year later...

I hope I have connected dots so well that some reporter will run with this and win a Pulitzer. Why not? The Globe did when the dots were priests"

Fascinating source material, mjbp.

"The New Oxford Review is an orthodox Catholic magazine that explores ideas concerning faith and culture... Like the Movement’s leading luminary, John Henry Newman, the NOR converted to Roman Catholicism in 1983, inspired by the dynamic, thoughtful papacy of John Paul II. The New Oxford Review has earned a reputation for addressing head-on the full range of issues confronting Holy Mother Church, and doing so with unswerving loyalty to her Pope and Magisterium.<<

Unswerving loyalty, eh?

Hmmm.

But a good diversionary tactic, nevertheless. Point a finger, cry "look over there, look over there", and hope that people will forget about you.

The recommendation that the NOR correspondent makes to research "Passing the Trash" was a good one, though.

It led straight to a Readers Digest article on the topic.

http://www.rd.com/your-america-inspiring-people-and-stories/sexual-predators-being-allowed-to-teach/article31756.html

Wikipedia says:

"According to Mediamark Research, Reader's Digest reaches more readers with household incomes of $100,000+ than Fortune, The Wall Street Journal, Business Week and Inc. combined. Global editions of Reader's Digest reach an additional 40 million people in more than 70 countries, with 50 editions in 21 languages. It has a global circulation of 17 million, making it the largest paid circulation magazine in the world. It is also published in braille, digital, audio, and a version in large type called Reader's Digest Large Print.

So much for the press not following up.

Incidentally, I don't think you should emply this particular tactic.

>>Anyway most criminally involved are dead or in jail.<<

That should not be an excuse for not following up on those who are not dead, not in jail, and who so far have escaped scot-free.

Would you not agree?

You people defy understanding.
You claim to be concerned with Child Sex Abuse by the Catholic Church,
which is overwhelmingly a historical problem.
But which part don't you like:
the Child Sex Abuse part or the Catholic Church part?
I'm coming to the conclusion that it's the Catholic Church part and not the Child Sex Abuse part.
What else can explain your total indifference to the fact that homosexual activists in the USA are currently prepared to destroy the Boy Scouts association rather than let them continue with their Supreme Court sanctioned policy of excluding homosexuals as scout leaders.
Homosexual activists are putting unrelenting pressure on cities throughout America to kick boy scouts out of premises that they've been renting at peppercorn rates for many years unless they lift their ban on homosexual scout leaders.
This has seen their funding dry up and their ability to provide services to troubled inner-city youth erode.
All with the end goal of getting homosexual scoutleaders into the scouts.
Male-on-male-sex preferring Scout leaders in tents with boy scouts.
Male-on-male-sex preferring Priests in confessionals with choirboys.
Ring any bells?
If not, then you must be more delusional than I already thought.
To prevent history from repeating itself the boy scouts must be left alone by these predators.

Relevance to Child Sex Abuse and the Catholic Church?
- by authority of severin who referred to scouting here:
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3556&page=0#84934

Proxy again off topic - feel free to start another thread. For your reference you might look at http://onthescene.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/04/10/dad-leads-girl-scout-troop-1444/

Without giving the issue deep consideration the issues appear to be similar.

R0bert

Nice try Proxy.

>>You claim to be concerned with Child Sex Abuse by the Catholic Church,
which is overwhelmingly a historical problem<<

The bigger problem right now is the extent of the cover-up, and the culpability of members of the church hierarchy in not calling in the cops.

>>But which part don't you like: the Child Sex Abuse part or the Catholic Church part?<<

The aiding and abetting criminals part. Did we not mention that?

Acceptance is the first step to redemption, Proxy.

Alleged points in this article

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/pope-acted-expeditiously-on-molestation-vatican/story-e6frg6so-1225852463752

1. That the current Pope acted expeditiously - do the allegations vindicate this position?

The article alleges Kiesle was arrested in 1978, pleaded guilty (the AP News link alleges he pleaded NO CONTEST see below) and was given three years' probation on the charges of molesting two boys, and was defrocked in 1987. The alleged crime was allegedly reported to John Paul II in 1981. Is this expeditious?

Wouldn't expeditious handling be the defrocking of the priest after the "no contest" plea in court?

Are the alleged terms "expeditiously...by the standards at the time" and there had been a "rush to judgment going on here" reasonable, when Kiesle allegedly pleaded "No Contest"?

2. The article alleges Bishop Cummins wrote a further three letters to Cardinal Ratzinger (the senior Vatican official disciplining priests) regarding this matter, receiving a reply 4 years after the initial letter to JPII written by Bishop Cummins in 1981. The time-line below also complicates this claim because allegedly the file couldn't be found.

3. Have these alleged decisions been for the good of "the universal church"? Is this putting the organisation over the victim? What would Jesus say about such a decision?

4. Has the Pope acted decisively since becoming Pope in 2005?

Would a decisive move be to order all records to be handed over to the Police in all countries, to insist that from now on all future allegations be immediately handed over to the Police, and to punish all those who have been involved in the alleged cover-ups?

TIME LINE…..http://www.politicalscandalnews.com/article/Timeline%20of%20defrocked%20priest%20Stephen%20Kiesle/?k=j83s12y12h94s27k02

The August 1978...entry is most interesting. "No Contest" effectively means he did not contest the charges...and he was sentenced to 3 years probation ONLY and then his record was later expunged. How can this be, considering the alleged acts? Who did the expunging and why?

Dawkins article….http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/richard-dawkins-promises-to-arrest-pope-benedict-xvi/story-e6frf7lf-1225852600931

Here is some more information regarding the Pope's current dilemma...if you have time watch the videos…..http://www.news.com.au/world/pope-benedict-xvi-resisted-removal-of-pedophile-priest/story-e6frfkz0-1225852086086

Let's hope for the sake of the honest, law abiding majority of practising Catholics that someone finally makes the right decisions.

And now today’s controversy….http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/11/connecticut.abuse.bill/index.html?hpt=T2