TRTL. Since when is the Australian News Paper the font of all knowledge? They under the aupices of Murdoch want absolute power.

Monckton had them nailed.He found within the Copenhagen Treaty a number of references hidden within this treaty which K Rudd was a party to.

K Rudd should be charged with treason since we the electorate gave him no authority to sign away our sovereignty to a foreign Govt with no recourse of a vote to deny their intent!

It is more like turn left/right and treason.They have betrayed us under the guise of saving he planet.

Arjay, you state: "TRTL. Since when is the Australian News Paper the font of all knowledge? They under the aupices of Murdoch want absolute power."

Misinterpretation or misrepresentation. I made no comment about them being the font of all knowledge. I pointed out they've been very accommodating to the anti-global warming cause. Far more so than most would be. Look no further than the extreme rhetoric of Janet Albrechtsen. Yet, those who publish the Australian and support such views have pointed out that Monckton's sprays can't be taken seriously because he undermines them with idiotic extreme language.

Though given these other nuggets from your post:

"they... want absolute power"
(really? Do they cackle and stroke white cats too?)

"K Rudd should be charged with treason"
(Golly! Treason! Shazaam! Heck, why not stop there? Lets nail him for crimes against the english language for that bit on 'programmatic specificity'!)

"They have betrayed us under the guise of saving he planet."
(Ah, yes. For their designs on absolute power, right? And who is pulling these puppet strings? I forget, there's so many gosh-darned shadowy groups out there. Is it the Halliburton Cartel, the Freemasons, the RAND corporation, The Rockefellers, the Trilateral Commission, OPEC or all of them? Do I add the IPCC to the list? It's getting a wee bit crowded, but I suppose each time has its villain-du-jour. The IPCC's as creative as any).

Allow me to summarise -

My contention: Ridiculous language like Monckton's damages his credibility. And those who mimic him.

'Course, he could just call his opponents fascists under the pay of the one-world-government-conspiracy now couldn't he... which is precisely my point.

Dear Turn Right then Left,
There are only 2 master puppeters yanking our strings. One for good, one for evil. Is that to simple to understand. Good is God. Evil is the old crud satin. We have a choice who we allow to yank our string. It is said "by their fruit you shall know them". Words have power of life and death. Out of the mouth the abundance heart speaks and only God knows the heart of man. There is a law that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. I am unsure of the understanding of this law and its origin or who discovered it. I know Sir Isaac Newton discovered the law of gravity. Christopher Columbus proved King Solomon that the world is round. Maybe you might know who discovered it and what is the law called.

It's Newton's Third Law, Richie 10.

>>There is a law that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. I am unsure of the understanding of this law and its origin or who discovered it<<

It goes like this.

"Whenever a first body exerts a force F on a second body, the second body exerts a force -F on the first body. F and -F are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction"

Incidentally, Newton didn't "discover" gravity. That honour goes to Ugg, who threw a stone at a sabre-toothed tiger, then watched in horror as an external force dragged it to the ground before it was able to strike its target. His widow called this force "gravity", because of its grave consequences for Ugg.

I'm sure we are wandering even further from the theme of this thread, but this is irresistible.

"Good is God. Evil is the old crud satin"

I always had my suspicions about satin.

Too glossy. Too shiny. Altogether too... sensual to be good.

The fact that there is a fetish site for satin-lovers says it all - I won't post the URL, as you probably are already familiar with it.

And this will have me puzzling for weeks

>>Christopher Columbus proved King Solomon that the world is round<<

The puzzle, of course, is not what the sentence means - although that is, you have to admit, somewhat obscure.

But what on earth possessed you to write it in the first place.

By the way, Arjay. In picking Monckton as your latest hero, you are carrying on your fine tradition of selecting people with one apple short of a barrowload.

Dear Pericle,
Many on OLO put the blame on God for the bad things that happen in this world e.g earthquakes, fire, floods, famine. Monckton thinks another man made political party is the answer. I happen to believe we are the problem and Jesus is the answer. We all start on the journey in rebelion. Man was created to caretake this planet (have dominion).To be the gardener and plant in all the planet not just Eden. That calling has never been revoked. When A son walks with his father in the cool of the evening in a loving relationship work is planed and much is acomplished. When the son rebels and choses selfishness and greed, devision destroys the relationship. Education should train people how to think not what to think. God gave us free will it is our choice whether we follow our concience or the lusts of the flesh. I am 66 years old with little formal education but have grown up in the school of hard knocks with many dry gullies and at the lowest point of my life I encountered a man called Jesus and he changed the way I think. I am still in the race of life but train for a marathon not a sprint. I do what I can and trust Jesus for the rest.
I hope this explains my point of view or opinion. If we do things right it works. If we take the easy road there is always a price.
Haiti is a hell of a mess because of wrong choices. the biggest problem was lack of powder and reo in the concrete which is a disaster waiting to happen. So is the glass half full or half empty.

Further and further off-topic we go, Richie 10.

This could be an interesting line of enquiry, though.

>>Many on OLO put the blame on God for the bad things that happen in this world e.g earthquakes, fire, floods, famine.<<

By definition, only those on OLO who believe that there is a God, can do this.

But you yourself "trust Jesus" for all the stuff that is outside your control - as you said, most specifically, "I do what I can and trust Jesus for the rest"

It seems only logical that if you let Jesus take care of all the things that you cannot do yourself - and I fully expect "earthquakes, fire, floods, famine" to fall into this category - then surely he has to take responsibility for the results?

Both good, and bad, no?

Or perhaps he might keep the good stuff for himself, and pass off earthquakes, fire, floods, famine etc. as being the work of the Devil?

But where do you draw the line?

A fire may burn down a few houses, but reinvigorates the bushland - is this the work of Jesus or the Devil? Similarly, was it the Devil who burned down the warehouse, but Jesus who claimed on the insurance policy?

Floods may wash away a few people, but irrigate the surrounding land to bear crops for the next couple of years.

Jesus or Devil?

The problem is, life cannot be conveniently parcelled into neat packages of good and bad.

>>Haiti is a hell of a mess because of wrong choices.<<

Ah, but whose choices were they?

The people who are now buried under a tonne of rubble? The people who will die subsequently from famine or disease?

Or maybe the people who only look up from their newspaper only when there is a disaster in some remote place. The recent Tsunami, perhaps. Or the perennial floods in Bangladesh.

Haiti is in a hell of a mess because i) it is an intensely impoverished country and ii) earthquakes are highly destructive.

http://jeffreyhill.typepad.com/english/2010/01/cartoon-haiti-reconstruction.html

Surely you are not suggesting that being dirt-poor is a choice?