Richie10
Try as I might I fail to see any relevance between your self-referential ramblings and either the topic or the threads you interrupted.
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King Belly,
While I agree that Arjay at times, can be a little more that the two standard deviations away from the mean, you need to be careful that your reasoning doesn't stray into a different never-land.
Your soap box is a little wonky too.

Mass public opinion too, tends to be unduly simplistic and myopic that doesn't make it correct either. ultimately one needs to have fact, perspective, objectivity on side. Some of you assertions about the labor party aren't exactly substantiated by facts or complete.

As I've pointed out many times organizations ten to make their long term survival and power the primary objectives rather than the interest of the members or the wider public. Both major parties spend an inordinate amount of their time and energy on politicking, both internal and externally. Consequently parties tend to be inefficient and some what mired, often counter productive and somewhat Malthusian.

Their preoccupation tends to be not upsetting the powers that be (status quo), and squabbling over swinging seat. The net result of this is that the public neither the best politicians nor good governance.

On the 22/1/10 the USA supreme court has passed a law that enables the corporates to donate as much money as they want, in order to premote their own cause.In other words it is a free for all in terms of bribing Govt members to comply with their agendas. see http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24471.htm

Richie 10 does seem to be saying that God is is reponsible for everything.If life is pre-ordained ,why bother living? It seems man did create god in his own image.The formal religions are all about power of the elites.They are often used as the opiate for the people so they willing suffer more serfdom.

Looking at that decision by the US Supreme Court,it now means that foreign owned companies can now have even more control over Govt.Using that logic,why don't they let the entire planet vote in US elections? This decision is totally against any notions of fair play.
We need to exclude all corporate donations from the political process.Perhaps we need to ban most of the BS advertising and let parties do a limited dollar amount of media presentations.Let them use the internet to present policies and in that way we will get some semblense of intelligence in the democratic system.

Dear Arjay,
God is not responsible for rebelious man. God provided man a way out of rebelion. His son Jesus provided the way back to God, life,and blessing so it is still our choice. My wife was sharing with a woman in financial trouble who was trying to kill her self and my wife pointed out all the reasons she had for keeping going. God never promised an easy road but he promised never to leave us or forsake us. Have you ever read footprints in the sand. It is an incouraging read. Rebelious men see God through the eyes they look at the world. They think they are owed a debt by society so screw first before you are screwed and as you reap what you sew the cycle of rebeliousness continues. The way out of depression is to count your blessings instead of sheep. The mind is the battle ground. All man centred kingdoms will fail. I agree with what Lord Munkton says about the one world government. God called men to lead men back to right relationship with him But rebelion has turned that calling into man centred religion and kingdoms on earth and they will all pass away because God is the giver of life. We only have a short season then our body goes back to dust. My hope is in Jesus. Do you have a hope.
Jesus said"the kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and hid; and for the joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field."
Whom will he teach knowledge and whom will he make to understand the message? For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little. Yet they will not hear. Still as true today as when the prophet Issiah spoke them.
regards Richie 10

Arjay wrote:
"Christopher Monckton has heralded the concept of a third political force based on individual freedom.He wants this concept to go global."

Ah yes, I've heard Monckton mention this before, which made me lose a tonne of respect for the man!

While billions protest one world government, the typical poly-tick reveals his true colours. The old government scam of problem, reaction, solution.

The Problem:
The watermelons are trying to take over the world under the guise of global warming.

The Reaction:
We must unite the people against these commy red bastards and fight them to the end.

The Solution:
The people must unite under a one world party, a party for the people to thwart this enemy.

One world party for the people, which people might that be?

A few points Arjay, Calamity.

There are plenty of examples of politicians in Australia, who weren't born into wealth. Kevin Rudd's one example, so is Turnbull. By and large, we don't have the same entrenched kind of class system as can be seen overseas.

So when you start hammering on about our evil government being a conspiracy, I can't help but shake my head. I've met quite a few politicians in my time. Aside from developing a somewhat slick approach to conversations, they're still human. Sure, occasionally they're bought by big interests, but I don't view the world as this big plebian mass manipulated by all-powerful schemers.

Power isn't segmented like that. There are the apathetic, who tend not to wield much influence, the alienated fringe groups (look no further than these threads for plenty of examples) then the interested and active, who can and do get involved in decision making.

What's really amusing, is even those who support the case against global warming theory recognise Monckton's a charlatan, which does no credit to those who are taken in by his theatrics. I know that my charlatan siren goes nuts when that wide-eyed goofball starts his ranting.

Consider this: The Australian newspaper has been among those to give the most exposure to anti AGW spokespeople:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/heated-moments-mar-monckton/story-e6frg6zo-1225821369435

"Unfortunately, while Monckton has mastered the best arts of persuasion, he also succumbs to the worst of them when he engages in his made-for-the-stage histrionics. In Copenhagen, when a group of young activists interrupted a meeting, he berated them as Nazis and Hitler Youth. Elsewhere he has called on people to rise up and fight off a "bureaucratic communistic world government monster". This extremist language damages his credibility. More important, it damages the debate. You start to look like a crank when you describe your opponents as Nazis and communists."

Same goes for the "one world government, evil conspiracy" preachers. Honestly. Get a grip, people.

Cause and effect. People don't treat theories such as this as rubbish because they're part of a conspiracy, they treat them as rubbish because they sound like extremist whackjobs.