Errr... I know your heart is in the right place in the war against political corruption, Arjay.

But you need to be careful with your slogans.

>>Brave Heart,"They can take our lives but will never take our freedoms!That is the basic urge in all good men and women..."<<

Braveheart was a movie. Those words represent the basic urge of Hollywood scriptwriters to manipulate their audience.

Hollywood romances are not reality, Arjay. Even though Wallace is undoubtedly a significant character in Scottish history, very little is actually known of the man, let alone anything he might have said.

The earliest record of Wallace was in the form of a poem, written some two hundred years later by Blind Harry, a writer of heroic couplets. The Hollywood scriptwriter of his time, if you will.

The script of Braveheart was even more manipulative of history.

In his pre-battle speech, Wallace is heard to refer to a hundred years of oppression, whereas in fact that century was almost entirely peaceful between the English and the Scots. It was only in 1296, a year before Stirling Bridge, that Edward I decided to revive the English claims to overlordship of Scotland.

The movie also describes an affair between Wallace and Isabelle (Isabella) of France, hinting that she was pregnant with a son who would become Edward III of England.

Aaaah, romance.

Unfortunately for the happy-ending-seekers, i) Isabella was nine years old at the time, ii) was living in France, and even Blind Harry didn't mention Wallace ever left Scotland and iii) Edward III was born in 1312, while Wallace was executed in 1305.

The thing about history is that it is real. It is occasionally captured in documentaries, but they are extremely rarely told from any objective standpoint. Compare the different versions of the Battle of Waterloo, for example. The only reality of Braveheart was that Mel Gibson is an actor of some considerable talent.

>>A nation of obedient drones is impotent,boring and in the throes of decay.<<

Not necessarily. The Third Reich was big on obedience. But hardly impotent or boring.

Dear pesticle,
Do you have children. If you do you know the fathers heart. So you do not have to guess or speculate any more.
Richie 10

Pericles, Hitler and the 3rd Reich evolved because because the banksters and the rest of the West demanded reparations for WW1.

They sent Germany into the depths of depression.Hitler however was very smart.He sacked the banks backed by the Rothchilds and created his own national bank.The international Banksters tried to stop Germany from trading with other countries by not recognising his new currency,but Hitler was too smart for them,he simply engaged in bartering with his trading parteners and circumvented their perverted monopoly money scams.

Independant sovereign capital does pay,since it is only a manifestation of the wealth that already exists in your own people.

That's a very strange observation, Richie 10

>>Do you have children. If you do you know the fathers heart. So you do not have to guess or speculate any more.<<

Yes, I have children.

But I haven't the faintest notion what you mean by "know the father's heart" in this context.

And as for guessing or speculating, I was doing no such thing.

Simply observing that according to you, your God was a warrior, just like Mars.

>>King David was a man after Gods own heart and a very human man, a warior and tactition in the art of warfare<<

Or Ares, if you prefer the Greek version.

I found it an interesting idea, that was all.

And Arjay, I was simply commenting on your "nation of obedient drones", and how Hitler's Germany could hardly be accused of being impotent or boring, despite their high level of obedience.

Not a "bankster" in sight.

Dear pericles,
Man is made in the image of God and you are a father. I am assuming you are a man and I am assuming that you love your children so if I assume correctly You have a fathers heart. So if man is made in the image of God we are a spirit as God is Spirit. We are capable of love as God is Love. God does not need an earthern ware vessel to operate in heaven and when he is on earth he operates in and through mankind and we provide the earthern ware vessel. God is a three part being, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Man is a three part being, we are a Spirit who lives in our earth suit {body} and we have a soul {mind, or interlect, will, and emotions}. When we are born again we change prisons and from sin and death to righteousness and life. In saying that God is a god of war you are assuming man created God. Which came first the chicken or the egg. Logic would tell you that to get an egg you must first have a chicken. A twisted mind assumes that we must have had an egg to get the chicken. Jesus is the saviour of our soul [mind] for without a change of heart and a change of mind we can never understand Gods word the bible. I hope I have provided you with something solid to chew or meditate on.
Ps the only sin God can't forgive is total rejection as he has given man free will to pray, not my but thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Richie 10

You're sounding more and more like a pantheist of the Roman persuasion with each post, Richie 10

>>In saying that God is a god of war you are assuming man created God.<<

Exactly. Without the human dimension, war would not - could not - exist. War surely isn't a natural occurrence, is it? Of course, some animals are predators, but that is not the same as "waging war", which is a uniquely human trait.

So by definition, this particular aspect of godship - the image of a warrior - must be of human origin.

It isn't that surprising. "Man-in-god's-image" is not so very different from "god-in-man's-image", when you think about it.

>>A twisted mind assumes that we must have had an egg to get the chicken<<

"Twisted mind"? Richie 10? That's a Creationist view. Are you a Creationist?

>>without a change of heart and a change of mind we can never understand Gods word the bible<<

The obvious question, to me, is "what makes that set of words more believable than all the other sets of words that claim the same thing"?

Worship of the Roman gods fell alongside the extended collapse of their empire. Meanwhile, Christianity was developing its own power structure, entirely dependent upon the achievement and maintenance of political control.

In order to do so, they needed to hold a largely ignorant peasantry in thrall, and turning their scriptures into a mystical talisman was just one aspect of that process.

Music and architecture were two further tools that they used to absolute perfection; a sung Mass in a cathedral would, on its own, be sufficient to convince a people unable to read and write that something pretty special was going on. From there, but a tiny step to instil the right levels of fear, and shazam! A people willing to believe anything you tell them.

It's a story, Richie 10. A very comforting story to a lot of people. A very necessary story also, to those people who find life on this planet bewildering, in the absence of certainty.

But a story nevertheless.