Bazz,
In addition to the inquiries you mentioned into clmategate.

The Uni of Pensilvania is have an inquiry as Mann works there.

Also looks like the Danes have uncovered a HUGE scam in relation to carbon credits trading, which could also cloud the issue at Copenhagen

Almost daily more and more main stream media outlets are reporting on the issue of climategate.

Interesting times ahead!

Bazz says:

"The political scandal would collapse governments if Monckton is right."

'Should', Bazz, but not necessarily 'would'.


What makes you think similar doctoring of statistics has not occurred in other areas, notably of those having any bearing upon electoral matters?

If it has, then those in the know would be the only ones to have had, over a similar time frame, a good handle upon the true extent of electoral support for both individuals and parties in any democratic system. As this scam was always going to be dependent upon political endorsement, would not provision have been made to have unduly influenced all significant political groupings or candidacies in anticipation of its introduction?

In this context, I note with increased alarm here in Australia, the removal from public view of the Virtual Tally Room web pages as they displayed at the conclusion of the count at the 2007 Federal elections, and their replacement with reworked layouts. I have commented upon this here:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3212#76523



Bazz does well to focus upon 'peak oil', or upon what, in Australia, should, first, be called 'liquid fuels supply security', and then subsequently, 'national trading advantage'. So should all Australians. Oil is a seemingly finite resource in what looks like being an increasingly energy-starved world, and Australia is well placed from a low-emissions energy resource point of view, to synthesise a tradeable substitute from its large reserves of coal.

I suspect any ETS is meant to be a subsidy to those whose raw material supply, from which they make their money, is foreseeably going to run out. If we are to be taxed in order to bring on stream low-emissions energy substitutes, then it is the Australian taxpayer that should substantially own the new substitute industry.



It would be nice to think that there existed an electable alternative to all of the usual suspects in the Australian political scene, one that was able to see the huge opportunity represented by 'peak oil', and exploit it to Australia's advantage. That's the requirement.

If it were not for the links provided by OLO'ers we would not know much about the International scandel allegations going on. I went through the American, Candian and UK newspapers and this topic is white hot. Where is the OZ media in all this? I feel sorry for Kerry O'Brien as he stuggles with the wave of reality breaking over him, he's going on as if nothing is happening.

I wonder if the ABC news has a charter, like the BBC, to censor that which is not idealogically aligned with their thinking?

There is one more thing wrong with the ETS and the IPCC treaty.
International Treaties over rule Australian legislation.
Once an International treaty is signed and then ratified by the
parliament it is set in concrete.

The clauses which will require us to make payments to undeveloped
countries will be inforcible at law. This ruling was confirmed in the
High Court many years ago, but I can't remember what it was about.

Barnaby Joyce made the comment that with our large debt we will have
to borrow, probably from the Chinese to pay the Chinese the amount
they are due because of our CO2 generation. Hmmmmm.

Looks like there will be a US Senate hearing into Climategate.
Further the promises that Obama is going to make at Copenhagen, well
he has no legal right to do so. It is another con job.

Spindoc,

In the interest of objectivity, I recommend you check this site out, where the climatologists write, and have perspective pieces on the topic "climategate" . The general conclusion ,is that it may have some effect on some careers, but as an impact on the reality of AGW science...it's irrelevant. To see why, you may like to why read some of the articles.
http://www.realclimate.org/

Examinator, why would you try to send us to a propaganda sight?

I understand you desperately want to believe their rubbish.

If, however, you actually do believe their cr4p, you are even thicker than the 2 fence posts, that thinking resembles.