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What's wrong with the ETS and what do we do about it?

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Whats wrong with ETS?

It is simply a tax that may not be required. One that will cost us plenty and do nothing about reducing emmisions, as the big polluters are let off.

'Climategate' will continue to expose the rorts and deceits that have occured in the CRU and IPCC and as the world is cooling, immediate action is not required. The theory of AGW is now crumbling.

Each day more and more is exposed and more scientists and the media are taking up the story of the fudging of figures, etc.

Likely now the US and UK will hold inquiry into the climate frauds, which involve billions of dollars, so let us wait on that outcome.

It will be hard for most climate evangelists to accept that the world is not warming, but they have been gullible in accepting false data for years. Time for a reality check.
Posted by Banjo, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 11:53:00 AM
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I challenge all thinking Australians to declare they have a considered opinion on the problems of climate chamge.Any voter in a Democracy has no responsibility to study the science.All members of Parliament HAVE!

The present Government should be trusted to have done so and come to a Policy position.The Opposition should have studied the subject independently and put up amendments they support as a party.

The latest reversal of this process, ending in another change of leadership and disregarding the reasons they may have had, 42 versus 41 of the opposition have said "Lets go back on the gains we made, welsh on the deal with the Government and our shadow Minister and Leader".

Australians are not ashamed to act or weak enough to hesitate and wait to see what other countries do first.Abbott, Minchin,Tuckey will go down in political history as names of weak skeptics who lost
Posted by DIPLOMAN, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 12:00:19 PM
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Those who think the ETS is doing something positive for the planet might as well believe in Santa Claus.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 12:03:06 PM
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There are a number of options for acting on climate change. These include comprehensive systems based on putting a price on carbon such as CPRS and carbon taxes as well as more direct action plans that focus on a limited number of options for reducing emissions. They all have the potential to reduce emissions by well over 50% using technologies that are already commercially available.
Penny Wong has done a good job of identifying the potential problem with any ETS system and proposing solutions to these problems. Carbon taxes avoid some of the uncertainty, speculator profits and administration costs associated with ETS. However, much of the complexity required for a workable ETS system will still be required for a carbon tax. There will be a need for exceptions, compensation etc to avoid sudden disruption of the economy.
Direct action plans that don't put a price on carbon avoid most of the complexity of comprehensive systems since action is restricted to emissions for commercially fixes are available and price increases only ramp up in line with increased costs.
It will take until well after the next election for CPRS to have any real effect. Before committing to CPRS it would make sense to conduct a detailed comparison of the alternatives to CPRS before the final commitment.
Posted by John D, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 4:23:00 PM
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We will have an ETS Liberals re entered the cave today in ruins, we will see them battle after this for years.
Work choices harmed them, this may yet kill them.
A bounce for Abbott if it comes will only last a short time its end will see him fall below both his past leaders, Hockey is not done yet but Liberals are.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 4:57:48 PM
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Well, as always, my question is "what is the rush"?

Why not wait until Copenagen and see what the rest of the world, the 'real CO2 generators' are doing, then we will be better informed about the whole thing. Otherwise, we will simply be placing yet another hurdel in front of our business traders.

To the best of my knowledge, there is no trophy on offer for being the first in this race.
Posted by rehctub, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 6:55:38 PM
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