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The Forum > General Discussion > What's wrong with the ETS and what do we do about it?

What's wrong with the ETS and what do we do about it?

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Just to extend on what Hasbeen has pointed out.

Anyone with half a brain knows the that website is edited and moderated by the same scum that provided the distorted data now used to scam and scare people into believing AGW exists.

Some can be read here as to the credibility of that site, which is a big fat 0!

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1742/Climatologist-slams-RealClimateorg-for-erroneously-communicating-the-reality-of-the-how-climate-system-is-actually-behaving--Rebuts-Myths-On-Sea-Level-Oceans-and-Arctic-Ice

Woh... This mess going to take decades to fix, so many brain washed people :(
Posted by RawMustard, Thursday, 3 December 2009 8:50:31 PM
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Banjo, interesting, do you have a link to the Danish info on the ETS
scam ?
I know that there was a big fiddle by the Russians that ripped mega$
out of the Europeans and collapsed the credit values. That was a few
years back though.

Anyway the trading rooms are all set up and ready to go here and now.
They are running on voluntary users at present.
One was interviewed on TV and they will have futures trading and
derivatives, the whole shooting box. They can't wait to start.

Sound familiar ?
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 4 December 2009 10:03:25 AM
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Raw mustard,
To use your words "Anyone with half a brain" would know to quote up to date citations. Yours is dated June 09 the later and the latest reports, have agreed with Realclimate's article. Perhaps, The scientists involved knew something of the data, that has only recently been *released* publicly, not to mention the truck load since June.
If you are going to cherry pick at least chose current arguments. Also you should read their rebuttal to be objective, I did.
Posted by examinator, Friday, 4 December 2009 1:04:54 PM
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You may be interested in this article from George Monbiot, who was quite rightly held up by Steven as a credible source on the recent "Has the scientific establishment sunk to the level of corporate spin doctors?" thread.

No matter what his thoughts on so-called Climategate though, Monbiot has in no way altered his unswerving support for the massive amounts of scientific data and analysis pointing to the reality of human induced climate change. Unfortunately though, it seems the big corporate polluters, who've spent billions of dollars in deliberately undermining and discrediting the science, are turning the minds of the gullible, the apathetic, the stubborn and the uninformed in ever increasing numbers.

And apparently they're more than likely to be old, which of course explains why examinator and I haven't been swayed. :)

<< There is no point in denying it: we're losing. Climate change denial is spreading like a contagious disease. It exists in a sphere that cannot be reached by evidence or reasoned argument; any attempt to draw attention to scientific findings is greeted with furious invective. This sphere is expanding with astonishing speed.

It certainly doesn't reflect the state of the science, which has hardened dramatically over the past two years. If you don't believe me, open any recent edition of Science or Nature or any peer-reviewed journal specialising in atmospheric or environmental science. Go on, try it.

The debate about global warming that is raging on the internet and in the right-wing press does not reflect any such debate in the scientific journals. >>

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/grim-reapers-role-in-climate-change-denial-20091127-jwrh.html
Posted by Bronwyn, Friday, 4 December 2009 1:48:43 PM
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Bazz,
I have seen a couple of references to the scam. This is one and if i find more i will post.

I am waiting to see updates.

http://www.cphpost.dk/news/national/88-national/47643-denmark-rife-with-co2-fraud.html
Posted by Banjo, Friday, 4 December 2009 3:55:36 PM
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Thanks Banjo, it sounds similar to the Russian scam.
I asked a question some time back about actually measuring the CO2
directly or indirectly.
The weights and measures acts require if you are selling anything by
weight or dimension the are accuracies to which you must comply.
I have a feeling that no one has addressed that problem.
I certainly never got an answer.
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 4 December 2009 5:36:58 PM
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