Full circle.

OUG to Gee Suss:

>>neither you nor i will quit on this...i see so much of me in you..lol<<

That's exactly the problem that occurs when you try to play the religious on their own turf. You become just like them.

Have a nice Convention.

just a note...
that i have emailed...the 5 pages of the de/jure...

to gee...4 yesterday...page one today
if he wishes to rebut...on his own forum...thats ok
i just need an id...same as here will do

email me the code..and i will reply you there
if you like

i will be recording any comment...at wfs...i dont want the same happening...like..when dorkins...deleted the debate..we had/..re flat fish...

but i enjoy how you keep comming back...
i need this/feedback..to force my intrest...

im content as to man..not being able to do it...
thus leave it all to god...i know god is sustaining my life

im not upset that you cant realise this
as i was so for most of my life...
then i looked at the evidence

and its simply not there...soon i hope you will see this
think why when we lost faith...we got sold evolution

and i have no doudt evolution did occure...but not by random selection
not by chance...the numbers are way against chance...so many things had to happen...as they did..from the big bang..to its back presure

once you see..the amasing...nature/of the natural/
[god naturally]...you dont need to know how...your so busy seeing the extent of it...we found life in impossable places...at least you can still see the natural beuaty...soon we shall see the light

but to do that...we need to dis-spell...
..a few more bits...of the darkness...
obscuring gods natural light..
sustaining all life...[..natur-ally]

ps please note gee....no replies...no one trying to set you up
i told you this testing of the evidenced will take years to resolve...

but you get 24...clear of the other..of you/lot...
a break of 24 means/you win...but best/present..some sort of rebuttal

cheers

I will be getting to a proper reply but it will take time, as in typical OUG form, each 'page' is massive amounts of invective and hard to work out what statements relate to what. What is a reply or what is a statement etc etc.

OUG replying to your email, I get a bounced email response from iinet :

Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1)

What's the go?

I've started here, just on 1 out of 5 emails that are huge, it's gonna take me ages to get to replying, as I am afk a lot atm.

http://www.jesusallaboutlife.com/oug.html

OUG, you still just spend your time rebutting evolution, and not providing evidence for your claims except for invective about atheists.

can you provide your evidence (not rebuttal of evolution, not making claims of atheists, but separate from it) in one document? As in everything you have sent, there is no clear statement of your evidence.

You need to be concise, you have pages and pages of just invective and flaming, without clearly presenting your evidence for you god creating everything.

Pericles. You may see it as being the same as religion replying to this stuff. The problem is, as you can see, it is put forward so strongly and consistantly and obscures reality and human knowledge. If approaching this is seen as devolving to religion tactics I am sorry you are wrong, for the sake of our children and humanity, this ignorance has to be approached head on.

What we see OUG doing is very much the approach of organised religion to human knowledge/science. It is an onslaught on it. This is why it must be met with replies, it cannot be left as the only voice for our childrens sake just through shear dogmatic claims repeated over an over, ignoring critical thinking and the search for truth that has led human kind so far, even with religion trying to hold it back with attack, whilst not putting forward anything but a leap of faith as 'truth'.

> see your different suss
> you claim the science...that of evolution you claim..disproves god
> im calling you to present your proof...and this proof is in the links
> according to you/..well present them

umm, OUG where have I stated evolution disproves your god?

I have not.

I have said repeatedly 'even if evolution is proven false, it does not prove your god exists'.

You have made a claim your god exists, and created everything. I have asked you to provide evidence for this.

I have only been stating evolution has evidence, unlike your claims. I have not stated that evolution disproves your god, I have asked for evidence that your god created everything, as you claim. You are the one that sees evolution as confronting your belief, hence your focus on it.

I have also pointed out, plenty of people accept evolution, and believe in a god.

suss[quote]..<<What's the go..emails that are huge,..it's gonna take me ages to get to replying,>>>[/quote]..as I am afk a lot atm.>>we allready read...most of it...here

but i see i got a lot of questionsd to rebut
GREAT QUESTIONS..you havnt rebutted...lol

but/that will keep me busy replying them..at wfs..but..allready rebutted your first quater inch...lol/..so im breaking it down

in the same order..you posted..and repeated your mantra
without validating your own/premise
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=3225&p=20124#p20124

remaing/suss points..[quote]<<OUG,you still just spend your time rebutting evolution,..and not providing evidence..for your claims>>>[/quote]
my claims are..EVOLUTION HASNT GOT THE SCIENCE..that could validate the evolution of genus...you lot/been decieved by species/speciaTION,...

that cannot...ever..by theit..genes/genus./nature
..NATURAL/GOD GIVEN ORDER/..NOT/change genus..

NONE EVER RECORDED..LIVE WITHIT..OR PRESENT TRUTH

<<The problem is,.it is put forward..so strongly
..and consistantly/..and obscures reality/and human knowledge.>>

YES I FEEL..THE PROBLEM SHOULD NOW..BE CLEAR...
EXCEPT TO THOSE WITH CLOSED MINDS

suss<<you are wrong,..for the sake of our children and humanity,..this ignorance has to be approached head on.>>>

i agree...we should also stop filling/their heads..with all..not faulsifyable science...idiots now think..an actor in a lab coat is scientist...

well the level of science/has fallen this low...lies to kids..

end the lies

<<..ignoring critical/thinking/and the search..for truth..that has led human kind/so far,>>>..yes as has excess capitalism...all isms...truth must be told/..not sold

<<anything..but a leap of faith..as 'truth'.>>>

yes egsactly
we are of one mind

so how are you going to rebut...the post
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=3225&p=20124#p20124

i HAVE SENT..an email/
so/no need..for my email..

as your next/post...link...should reply...mine...on its/own page

i have mailed...my..first rebuttal....to your ..rebuttal/..will post this...then continue slicing and dicing...your lack of..valide science/proof

you claim the science..present it

or rebut /refute..the science...i presented

suss quote..<<ignoring critical thinking/and the search..for truth that has led human-kind..so far...LOL..whilst not putting forward anything..but a leap of faith as..'truth'[/quote]

yes science has decieve many
many believing its a done deal
#but its only theory

hidden/in a masive/mountain..of study/facts..about species.
...that has no relivance to...genus

evolution claims genus evolving..yet has not..any proof of/..genus evolving...ever..yet the decieved/faithfull..trust the lab-coated frauds...who have NEVER made..a single life/EVER..nor evolved a single/new genus..EVER

[quote]>>>umm,OUG
where have I stated..evolution disproves your god?

I have not.>>[/quote]

great another point decided
jurors please note

[quote]..I have said repeatedly..'even if evolution/is proven false, it does not prove..your god exists'.>>WHY LIE..that its proved when its not?
<<You..claim/god exists,..and created everything.
I have asked you..to provide evidence for this.>>[/quote]'

you couldnt comprehend the science...
i explained it..allready

read the emails suss

[quote]..I have only been stating evolution has evidence,..unlike your claims.[/quote]

im saying the stuff you showed me
has been rebutted/fully...right here

[quote]I have not stated/that evolution disproves your god,
I have asked for evidence/that your god created everything,..as you claim.[/.quote]

the real issue..is science DOSNT KNOW
so its believers...dont have science...
they have faith

[quote]You are the one that sees evolution/as confronting your belief,..hence your focus on it.>>WRONG AGAIN

i know about my god/..via study/pasion..in his creation..
to know better my/..our GOOD/..god

suss<<<<plenty of people accept evolution,..and believe in a god[/quote]

i strictly go with the facts
science hasnt replicated that...nature/
natural...

that...only..god alone..can do..
its time..to allow the facts..of science to be judged

evolution/of genus..isnt even close...just as science deneyes creation...it dosnt know..how it began...let alone how/it...continues...

..thus is constructive/fraud
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=3225&p=20127#p20127