OUG what stops this? what over millions of years stops speciation from creating all the species we see today?

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/11/speciation-in-action

Genus is just a naming convention for species close together on the evolutionary tree, that are related, on the same branch if you will. I have repeatedly stated this. New genera are just defined according to loose rules on relationship, and hence cladistics is more accurate.

Here is a list of transitional forms as evidence :

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html

To disprove evolution, you need to state what stops speciation, which is macroevolution, speciation is 'the origin of species'. That is evolution. That is what is entailed in the theory of evolution.

This is what has had science go back along the path, and say things are in the same genus by naming it with the taxonomy system. Science holds that evidence of genus evolution is shown in DNA, morphology and the fossil record, as it occurred over millions and millions of years. Life is classified into the taxonomy based on this evidence.

Considering life is classified into genus by evolutionary traits, DNA, morphology, etc, what is it that creationism defines as a genus OUG? What draws the line between 'kinds' for creationists?

How do you explain all the genus that are around today, that are missing from the fossil record?

Shouldn't we find fossils of present-day forms from top to bottom in it according to your claims?

How do you explain all the clear patterns found in 'gaps' in the fossil record, such as the Class Mammalia (mammals) first appearing after a 95% gap, then the Order Rodentia (rodents), within the Class Mammalia, first appearing after a 98% gap, then the Family Caviidae (guinea pig and relatives family) within the Order Rodentia after a 99% gap, then the genus Cavia (guinea pig genus) within the guinea pig and relatives family after a 99.97 (or thereabouts) gap. The domestic guinea pig species Cavia porcellus is not known as a fossil, so that gives a gap of 100% in the fossil record?*

* thanks to Ronald H Pine PhD

suss quote<<I stated macroevolution occurs at speciation...I gave evidence of this.>>>well i just searched it

http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=gd&q=+macroevolution+occurs+at+speciation%2E&hl=en-GB&rls=MEDA,MEDA:2008-36,MEDA:en-GB

the message reads

Did you mean:..microevolution occurs at speciation.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA,MEDA:2008-36,MEDA:en-GB&ei=aUUCS4PCK4OHkQW1wdS-AQ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAYQBSgA&q=microevolution+occurs+at+speciation.&spell=1

but lets see what came/up...
http://www.infoplease.com/cig/biology/speciation.html

[quote]<<True speciation..only occurs when reproductive barriers/prevent productive interbreeding.

Two major types of reproductive barriers/prevent a species from interbreeding/even if they are in the same geographic area:..prezygotic and postzygotic reproductive isolation.

Prezygotic Reproductive Isolation...There are five main types/of prezygotic reproductive barriers..that prevent intraspecies fertilizati>>>

but see my dear boy

preventing intra species...not extra genus...get it...
havnt you read my lates post at wfs...with pictures....i emailed it to you

please revisit the species/genus link..as well as the presygotic barriers...your confusing species..with ya/genus

yes its quote clear..you cant comprehend that..which science explains

so i explained it here..WITH pretty pictures...

http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=184&t=3225&p=20175#p20175

anyhow you must be tired...
with all that circular thinking...

i will simply keep putting my evidence..
before the court...of people...

people who..are not afraid to look at the emperor...evolution...

without its proofs...species/anything is micro evolution...

live with-it

macro evolution..of old genus...into new genus...
is simply speaking a lie...

specification is about sp[ecies
evolution is about change of genus..etc...thats the deception

i will leave you..with/an edit..of your own quote...

until you can prove..your EVIL-ution-science/god/heads..created life

making the assumption..you have the answer..and yet dont repeatedly present your science....science doesn't/cant validate their theory...thus...they are/just ridiculous assertions,..

...nothing more than that...as you claim/the science..present it

suss your full reply is here
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=184&t=3225&p=20213#p20213

plus..emailed it to you

most interestingly/revealingly...please note the link...lol
to the xarvia/SPECIES...lol

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh211/MASKOTAS_EXOTICAS/CUYOSIMAGES-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/hh211/MASKOTAS_EXOTICAS/%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3DCUYOSIMAGES-1.jpg&usg=__m-S1s2AKZC2utC1DWUXlBPVLs_A=&h=1001&w=1024&sz=158&hl=en&start=1&sig2=982mjIBm6oWyIuav4MjEsQ&tbnid=g1bGN66yFwP9wM:&tbnh=147&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcavia%2Bbreeds%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DMEDA,MEDA:2008-36,MEDA:en-GB%26sa%3DG&ei=bVsCS6mWEIaNkAWostg_

here is some random notes from post

stop asking me...my own questions back to me
you claim science
so i ask you..if evolution was true[as idiots believe...then...<<<Shouldn't we find fossils of present-day forms from top to bottom in it according to your claims?>.

How do you explain all the clear patterns found in 'gaps' in the fossil record,

the clear gaps,,,are my proof that the gaps are not proof of linial evolution
ie your deecieved yet again

such as the Class
Mammalia (mammals) first appearing after a 95% gap,
wtf is a 95 percent gap?
that sounds like ccccrap
which specific...mammmel/..class..genus/species..?

..then the Order
Rodentia (rodents),
within the Class Mammalia, first appearing after a 98% gap,


then the Family

Caviidae (guinea pig and relatives family)
within the Order Rodentia after a 99% gap,
loll
it looked so good before...lol

..then the genus

Cavia (guinea pig genus)
within the guinea pig and relatives family after a 99.97 (or thereabouts) gap.

ok there you go
im going now
to find a picture of species...within the genus ...cavia

lol

The domestic guinea pig species Cavia porcellus is not known as a fossil,
so that gives a gap of 100% in the fossil record?*

* thanks to Ronald H Pine PhD
Posted by Gee Suss, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 4:43:28 PM

ok thats a good line...lol
to google up ...for some pictures
http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&h ... i=&start=0

maybe next time,,,lol

for now i will find these critters

.... lets look.... at the names.../species within cavia..cuting and slicing

OUG as repeatedly told to you, evolution is not claiming intra-species breeding. You keep saying it is, but it is not.

macroevolution : The combination of events associated with the origin, diversification, extinction, and interactions of organisms which produced the species that currently inhabit the Earth. Large scale evolutionary change such as the evolution of new species (or even higher taxa) and extinction of species.

genus take millions of years to form, since we are looking back from such a small time frame on millions of years evolution, of COURSE we are not going to see new genus popping up all over the place. In fact, this would DISPROVE evolutions claims of millions of years needed for these changes to occur. genus is a label placed on looking back on millions of years of diversification. it is only a LABEL.

Your claims over no new genus as being evidence against evolution is silly and IGNORES what evolution is stating, that is not what evolution is claiming happens as you are claiming it is. IT IS NOT. You keep pointing at speciation as a barrier to creating new genus, but this is EXACTLY what evolution is claiming leads to new genus, and you cannot say how these things you are posting, that are why we have speciation, stop new species from diversifying on and on an on.

Evolution is NOT about change of genus. Genus is an outdated NAMING convention, that is why cladistics is taking over as a naming convention.

Evolution is NOT about how life started, it is about how life EVOLVES.

sheesh, you are continually putting forward evolution incorrectly with a total misunderstanding of what it is, and I am consitantly correcting you, and you are consistantly ignoring that. You post snippets of my replies interspersed with your invective so that all context of my position is lost in your kangaroo 'court' and this just shows how you quote mine and use standard creationist misrepresentation as the only way to bolster a position that you refuse to put evidence forward for.

re: the mammalian post, which you have just skimmed over trying to misrepresent :

"This is a pattern in which representatives of a given phylum appear before any representatives of a specific still-living class in that phylum; which latter, in turn, appear before any representatives of a specific still-living order in that class; which last, in turn, appear before any representatives of a specific still-living family in that order; which, last, in turn, appear before any representatives of a specific still-living genus of that family; which last, in turn, appears before some specific still-living species in that order. In other words, fossil organisms in general appear before the first fossil vertebrates in general (all of which are extinct), then the first fossil mammals in general (all of which are now extinct) appear before the first rabbit-like fossil mammals in general (all of which are now extinct), then the first members of the rabbit/hare family in general (all of which are now extinct) appear as fossils before the genus Lepus (jackrabbits and other hares in general) appears, and then the present-day species Lepus californicus, the Black-tailed Jackrabbit appears (among others). This is the sort of pattern that we see for organisms in general, not just hares, and holds for, literally, millions of species (it works for insects, for example, the present-day species of which, alone, are estimated to number in the seven to eight figures range." *

This is exactly what we would expect to see with evolution, it is NOT what we would expect to see with 'creationism'. This shows that phylum have been created over vast amounts of time, not all at once like you are claiming. It fits with all other evidence of morphology, DNA etc. it is exactly what we would expect to see if evolution was true. It is totally the opposite of what we would expect to see if creationism was true, and your claims over no new genus.

How do the ID Creationists explain it? They, of course, don’t even try.

* again, thanks to Ronald H Pine PhD

full/reply

http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=184&t=3225&p=20250#p20250

[quote]suss/drivel...<<re:the mammalian post,.."This/a pattern..
..in which representatives..of a given phylum*appear...before...any representatives....of a specific/still-living class...in that phylum;.>>>[/quote]

i presume..this is a continuation/of the guinnie pig/thing
sumerise-able....into species/genus/etc

so reset/your mind's
first lets clarify...

words make the pattern...this is a suss/droning mantra..to put people under a spell..repeat the same spell....three times..it sounds familiar

please read the/origonal..reply/link
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=184&t=3225&p=20250#p20250

[quote...This shows/that phylum..have been created..:lol:..over vast amounts of time>>>[/quote]

reply/from..link

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index%3Fqid%3D20090120102917AAsZRCp&ei=l08DS6q_NNaWkAWIoMm9AQ&sa=X&oi=forum_cluster&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAgQrAIoADAA&usg=AFQjCNEjhEKgcS1QOPaqr4fn343FiCnb9A

wtf..do you think..you are
human/homo;;;...Phylum=Vertebra/ta...Class=Mammalia...Family=Placenta...Genus=homo...they were all/born die/in their own family/genus/phellum etc

suss2<<0UG/..evolution..is not claiming/intra-species/breeding>>>
then/what the fuc/..species/..is doing your/speciating.

<<You keep/saying it is,..but it/is not>>>...stop..miss-quoting.

read your..own quote/after deleting the destraction/lies

<<macroevolution/..Large scale evolutionary/change..such as..the evolution..of new species..>>WITHIN THE SAME GENUS/family/phellum /etc

noting..you skipped over..micro evolution/..within the species...speciating../within..their genus

<<genus take/millions of years to form,>>[/quote]

>bullshhhit...the second..god created adam..the genus/homo..included it..in the homo genus/phelum/species/..etc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_(genus)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
[quote]

<<You keep pointing..at speciation>>>..no..you do...in an incorrect/context..me=[speciation/within/genus]

<<speciation..as a barrier/..to creating new genus,>>>[/quote]

stop missquoting..what you think..i said

species IS ALLREADY...IN ITS GENUS..YOUR human/homo...from/the second god... made adam/the homo/genus..[Phylum=Vertebra ta. Class=Mammalia Family=Placenta Genus=homo]..was created..specie adam

<<speciation/only happend in the past>>...lol

I FEEL THE FACT..THIS SPECIATION THEORY...as a fossil/..thing...speaks for itself...that it simply..cant...create..any/or a new genus/

then suss/says..the oppisite/lol/again...
lol[quote]<<Evolution is NOT about change..of genus.>>.

yea i been saying that/..it simply speaking...needs new genus...or its not evolution/not..evolving...from a fish/..genus..to a mammal/genus..get it?



<<Evolution is NOT/about how life started,..it is about how life..EVOLVES>>

yes it is...but bro..what evolved??you got nothing to evolve...everything..thus become speculative/delusion.

mate it is..as was written at
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3124&page=0

and fully at
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=184&t=3225&p=20213#p20213

<<use standard creationist/misrepresentation>>mate your using standard gibberish/if thats science...lol..science has sunk lower than i thought

<<as the only way to bolster/a position..that you refuse to/put evidence forward for>>

if god wanted us to follow/god...he would have cast his pearl before swine....and the only direction/freewill could move..is away from god...but via freewill..

we chose/when/as we chose...
and in time..discover the great..living loving/good/god..