OUG I am not nor ever have claimed science knows what created everything, let lone the fact that it needed to be created.

You stated evolution was false and that your god created everything, I provided evidence for evolution to which you are rebutting.

I have asked for your evidence for your claim that your god created everything, you have not provided it, just extensive diatribes and vitreol attacking evolution and atheists, plus claims for which I have not made (see above)

I started on another email .. but they contain so much repeated information (plus when I reply, your email bounces):
http://www.jesusallaboutlife.com/oug2.html

However I propose we each make a document containing our evidence for our claims.

Gee Suss: 'Evolution is a fact, the theory of evolution best explains that fact'
I will outline the evidence for evolution, as to why I believe evolution exists, and it shows a common ancestry.

OUG: "My God created everything"
You create a document, outlining your evidence for the claim that your god created everything.

That way, we both have put forward evidence for our claims and can approach the discussion evenly, and your not just spending all your time attacking evolution, but also putting forward your case, so I have something to work on and things are not just one sided with myself defending evolution only, as what is happening.

suss/sussed..my email/to be...[.au...not/.com]

..SUSS/quote..<<..However..I propose/,..we..each make a document..
..containing..our evidence..for our claims>>

we just/did...let..others/'judge...

now/seemingly..each/get's..to write,..
a/differing/document...lol.

<<Gee Suss:..'Evolution..is a fact,..
the-theory...LOL..of evolution..best explains that..'fact'>>lol

...noting...my suggestion..that the science..isnt in..
..thus/..conveniantly disappears...lol

suss<<I will/..outline..the evidence/..for evolution,>>
#..despite not doing so/..so/far

then/in the next/breath...lol..as to..why..
<<I believe>>>LOL>>>evolution exists,...>>.

lol...promises to write..a whole/document/..cut/paste..or just/links?

when presently..not..even 1[one]..valid link/..egsists/
..yea i would..sure like to believe..that/promise.....lol..
#..but it wont happen

suss..<<and/it..shows a common ancestry>>..great/lol..

even if you could present/proof/..
because not even science....can do that...the info would be specious/doudtfull/only...YOUR/belief...lol..

and...definitivly..consist of intra genus...
not evolving/..into,.. new/genus

and i/get to write..suss quote..<<OUG:.."My God..created everything">>...only to have it ignored..

noting i..allready put up/my theories...here

SUS/QUOTE<<you create a document,..outlining/your evidence..for the claim..that/god created everything.>>>

this will need genetic/knowledsge..beyond your comprehention...
then you will pick..on one thing/you dont/like...and ignore any evidence...LIKE YOU DONE../here/now/..ALLREADY

neither of us/is going to give in...
admit..you got no proof..of not god...
and no proof/
that evolution.of genus..has ever been observed..
religion..only demands...faith/

your wishing/to write/..what you believe...lol

athism...requires..no god...
im not invested how god did/it...you on the other hand,
.,dread the reality of a god...

you have a lot invested..to retain your athiest/ignorance..of the bleeding obvious

and..the bleeding/obvious...is..science/..didnt do it

further...that nature is not science...

..that..life comes from life..
all points..your replies..consistantly gloss-over/or ignore...lol

the dejure..is..to see if/..the facts are there/
you say you have facts...yet consistantly..refuse to explain..
evan/a signle evolution..out of genus...

then come back..with ever new/absurdities...
like writing our/diveregent topics...lol

...understand this...I HAVE NO/..investment..wether/
or if god did/or did not evolve/life..
or evolution makes claims..that it did..

i see/what is...KNOWING..that science..cant make/even/..a real looking/working arm..or even a foot..let alone a single life from nothing..

even using gods cells...its a faux/science...
designed to lead people..away from god...via..
clever fairy tale/fictions..taught TO/us..as kids

<<..putting forward/your case,..so..I have something/to work on>>>lol

..words reveal all...lol

..<<and things..are not just/..one sided..with myself/defending evolution only,..as what is happening..>>>

poor you...how i see it...
is you got heaps/..of a cheer squad...

im the one..standing alone....
but i guess thats/..the cost of standing up..for truth/...belief

because/..of truth...
science does-not know...

so lets stop/..pretending..that/..it does

next reply/your link..<<http://www.worldfreemansociety.org/forum/posting.php?mode=reply&f=120&sid=3fc9ebf78d903c8aae90b2df1f168f7d&t=3225

continue rebutting the info /questions..at the suss/link

a reply...from suss
to my points

you arnt making any

each of your rebuttal points should specificly rebut a specific

each rebuttal should be its own post/topic

yes its huge/read
BUT...WE ALLREADY READ...most of it

and it is such a good thoughtfull rebuttal
i need fully reply it to remain in honour

i post it more as...for the record

On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 18:42 +1100, Johan wrote:

ok final evidence

SUSS/regardless here is some more proofs

ME..you know/..i can rebut..your droll/...LACK of facts..lol/
cause you got no/VALID/fact..
re genus evolution/..first life..etc

SUSS?I am not claiming I know how life started, I have stated this already.

You are.

ok no evidence..no rebuttal
this trial is to test the evidence for evolution

to see if science has any evidence of not god...[and it dont]
it dont go /state...the first life...thus has no begining
no evolution of genus...etc

me/self replied

you..ask how god breath's..like it matter's,,his life/force/breath..flows..
not in and out..but through..all life/constantly..
[think/like a magnet..the inflow..is via our belly button]..

SUSS rebutal
This is just a claim nothing more.

no its my belief
you know
like your going to present...your lol belief

YOU MAKE CLAIM ..TO SCIENCE
present it
not by faith..VIA SCIENCE...

here is my working/hypothemus...more than faith...my conclusion of the facts

there are witnesses who testify and demonstraight
but look no further than the FLUFF>>>IN YOUR BELLY BUTTON
to reveal the minute inflow..that attacted it into your belly

regardless..science cant say here is... the science to disproove it
cause it dont know...yes its just a claim
but so too is evolution of genus

me/quoting link

here's..a clue..to..what god does
http://www.mitochondrial.net/showabstra ... ath+stages

im not seeing..a lot of you on the link's/certainly nop rebuttal
seems majority is just/me...from link..

and you and your vast army of athiest../supporters..doing anything/..but giving evidence..for genus evolution..or revealing your genus evolution tree..or the first life...etc

I see what you do OUG, post heaps of useless information to hide the fact you are not backing up your claim that your god created everything. You post over and over the same stuff, attacking evolution, but not backing up your own claims.

As I said, bait and switch. You totally avoid providing evidence for your claims that your god created everything. Hence, since you provide no evidence whatsoever, your case based on that, falls apart.

Please provide the evidence of your claims so that we can continue, you state you have already provided it, yet you have not.

full reply here
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=184&t=3225&p=20175#p20175

edited..YET ..IN HIS NEXT-BREATH...LOL..<<you..are not backing-up/your claim/that..your god created/everything...[/quote]

as we see/suss..is still..trying to redirect..avoiding/presenting..his proof..of science../..doing it...

MY posted/SCIENCE/..IS MY..VALIDATION,..science is a collection/of facts..trouble being...some distract/..using..facts..to/evidence...of genus/evolving...fraud-ulently

[quote]..You post/over and over..the same/stuff,[/quote]

look at mr/..suss/s link..its all quoting/..me
its bulky..because..YOU respost..my posits

with a simple ...repeat
of that first..quoted/question...lol

repeated again herunder...in lue of fact<<[quote]<<attacking evolution,but..not/backing-up..your own claims>>>...bait and switch...provid/evidence..for your claims that...EVOLUTION..claims science..Hence,....your case/based on science..,falls apart...Please provide/evidence..of..your evolution/..claims..>>not your/belief/faith[..re-wrote/..quote]

suss..presents/no evidence...thus has/resorted/to..demanding to me..for my evidence...lol..[of..my belief]

he stated/a few posts back...he was willing..
to state...lol..his belief...in /science

i will back-track..to the root/..of how this evolving debate/begun..

de-bait..arose...[quote]<<David/afoa/Inc,..Sunday,18 October2009/9:03:00/PM>>>..QUOTE..

,,<<Yes,..religion..is very cocky/about abiogenesis,..but they shouldn’t/..because..a)..it has nothing/to do with evolution..>>lol..thus/no root/to evolve..from../a/thiuest..

<<and..b)..science/has been working on it/..and has..lol..reasonable hypotheses..under/investigation>>[/quote]

YET..HAS NOT SEEN...FIT...TO REVEAL ITS/EVIDENCES...
WHICH TO BE FAIR..is very difficult to find,...as suss has found..cause it dont/egsist...lol

david at least reveals...his truth...

[quote]<<One day,..I am convinced,
..an experiment will show..that non_living_matter/can form into living...>>>lol...its never happend...cause it cant

im only asking/..for the name!

surely..life..has/been made...thus
science/..must state..the root..it evolves from?

this should be simple/to prove...name it...

link to/its creation...this..wasnt done...and when/i did it...it was sidetracked...any who read/the suss/link...will in the main..be/reading..my evidences

science/dosnt/claim ab-io-genesis..because it cant..make/dead/flesh..live..
it can susststain...life support systems...BUT NOT MAKE/DEAD..LIVE...

cant make life/from dead-dust/...even

<<evolution/would have to be..debunked>>HAS BEEN<<...But if that happened,..then it would mean/..that science/has everything wrong..and we might as well..all curl up and die,..as nothing would be real>>>[/quote]

..yes welcome back..to dreamtime....

YOUR SURE CERTAINTY..RESTS ON/POOR FOUNDATION...
IN-FACT/of fact...NO FIRST/LIFE..TO EVOLVE AWAY FROM...LOL..MEANS YA TREE..GOT NO ROOT

see why/..suss/ET'AL..fight with distractions...SO HARD..its all or nothing..for them..

DAVIDIAN/[quote]<<The problem with creationism/..is that it has no indisputable studies/written up..in/accredited-scientific/journals available..to peer review.>>>[/quote]

lol..thats because/they refuse to consider..either/abiogenesis..nor creation...THESE ARE AUTOMATICLLY/REJECTED...thus yes..your right
..we wont/find any...lol..[so much..for open/minds ...lol

[quote]..<<On the/other hand,..there are thousands/thousands of..studies..>>lol..studies..of gods nature..lol../supporting evolution>>>[/quote]

yes..so tell me/funny boy...SUPPORTING..
but,,NOT VALIDATING IT..how many prayers/..ARE/..printed in the..science/holy-texts?

but lets follow...<<thousands/etc..supporting evolution>>>OF SPECIES...

<<as how nature/works/>>
lol god is nature/natural

science is aint/natural..its//NOTural....it disects..a flower/
..into millions of/bits../called knowledge/..science....LOL..fact
..while other's/write poetry..about its beauty...appriciating..its natural beauty..while science/..rips it to bits...continued/link

I have no idea what you are saying OUG, your replies, and this one, are so disjointed it is not funny.

I claimed that evolution has evidence, scientific method, is falsifiable etc. I have provided evidence for this. I stated macroevolution occurs at speciation. I gave evidence of this.

You are claiming your god did it. I have asked for evidence of this, and you have none, and have spent tens of pages attacking evolution.

That's all fine and dandy, but you are having a go at evolution for lack of evidence (as you see it), while you can put forward none to back up your claims.

Hypocrite.

I'm tired of posting the evidence, and explaining what a genus is over an over just to have you ignore it and redefine it, to have you redefine what I have been saying, and to totally ignore any request for evidence of your claims. You have setup a concept of a 'court' on evolution, ignoring the fact it is an ongoing study, based on evidence, and ignoring requests for yourself to back up your claims.

Science ignores creationism as until you can provide evidence of your assertions. Since you cannot, there is nothing scientific about your claims. Science works via the scientific method, using evidence, something must be falsifiable. creationism is just a belief, nothing more until it can provide evidence rather than just assertions like you are providing, whilst acting like you are better, when obviously your claims are not. The claims of science are backed by evidence. Yours are not.

So I find it a joke when you go 'lol' because something doesn't fit your assertions, or that your assertions answer the question of the beginning of life, when your assertions have absolutely no evidence to back them up. empty claims.

You can state that your assertions of a god fill what science is not trying to claim, but until you can prove your god created life making the assumption you have the answer and science doesn't they are just ridiculous assertions, nothing more as you claim.