Gee Suss is right OUG, the naming system has become a real problem due to it's limits. It was imposed as a view from our current perspective on the associations between life. It is only an arbitrary view, as a way of classification. You trying to say 'no knew genus come about' is ridiculous to anyone with a basic knowledge of evolution and the taxonomic system. Speciation has occured all thru the 'levels' of the taxonomic tree, and all it does is refer to segments of historical speciation.

It started with only 3 kingdoms, but now it's at 6-7 .. plus there is now moved from 7 ranks, to around 21 (with sub species etc etc). The classifications change all the time, as one genus or such is split into two, etc etc

The method of describing relationship has become unwieldy, due to the diversification Gee Suss is talking about... other systems are taking over as they better desribe relationships. look as Cladistics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cladistics

Your trying to say a new genus is not created is kinda lame considering it's a descriptive class of a historical section of the evolutionary tree, based on looking at it from our small fragment of time.

Add another 3.8 billion years to this diversification, and I too am interested in what you are saying exists that stops this diversification thru speciation (when species can no longer breed and thus create yet another branch on the expanding tree), otherwise known as 'the origin of species'.

GEEhawSUSS..quote<<..any new species...will remain part of whatever Order/Phylum,,its ancestors are in,..It's a nameing convention>>

<<they are primates,..mammals, amniotes, vertebrates, deuterostomes, and eukaryotes.

If some mammals were protostomes, if some birds were arthropods, life would not be organized into nested hierarchies, common descent would be impossible, and macroevolution could not have occurred. It would only take one to do destroy evolution. There is not one.

29 evidences for common descent : http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

<<What barrier is in place that stops speciation>>..Prezygotic barriers

http://everything2.com/title/reproductive+barrier

specificlly 5. Gametic Isolation.

If for some reason foreign sperm is introduced into a female.there are several preventative measures..to insure that there is no union between the sperm and egg...Internal environmental conditions may cause the sperm to die. Gamete recognition sites..on the sperm..do not fit with the intended egg.

If the two species differ in the type of fertilization..(external and internal.. there is no chance of the sperm ever contacting the egg.

Postzygotic Barriers:..If prezygotic barriers are crossed..and a hybrid zygote forms,..one of several barriers will prevent development of a viable,..fertile hybrid.

1. Reduced Hybrid Viability...Genetic incompatibilities between the species..may abort the development of the hybrid..during some stage of development.

Difference in chromosome number..may cause abnormal cell division...Since the chromosomes align to insure equal distribution upon cytokinesis,..abnormal chromosome counts could occur..based on this numerical difference.



<<You state that diversification..exists below the genus level...
What is in place that stops continued diversification>>the fitest surviving and the may other<<Pre..and post-zygotic barriers>>
http://www.dwm.ks.edu.tw/bio/activelearner/19/ch19c2.html

http://www.google.com.au/interstitial?url=http://www.worldofteaching.com/powerpoints/biology/darwin.ppt

<<such that..all the evidence for..common descent is false.?>>mate look at the gaps/see previous evolution debates

<<What is in place that is going to stop diversification>>see previous evolution debate

<<to such an extent,..that creatures will look,>>see pheno-typical
<<and be,..>>>see geno-typical

<<radically different in all aspects>>..means its a new branch,..simply speaking
..fill in the gaps...they are huge...not one joined

you say<<that is confirmed by scientific evidence>>
how about presenting just one...
filling in..just one gap?

say cold-blood/gilled/finned/scaled-fish..to airbreathing/..warmblood/limbed..mammel

or how about joining..plants to animals
[needing plants to eat/..make oxigen]...

just present..one clean evolution..genus into new genus
that fills one of the hundreds of gap's...in ya THEORY

Prezygotic barriers? Gametic Isolation? mate that's why we have speciation. This is the divergence in evolution that leads to totally seperate classes of creatures, and over billions of years, has left us the diverse tree of life we have! This is not evidence against diversification, this is evidence in favour of speciation! LOL :) This is exactly what I am talking about! What is to STOP this from occuring and occuring and occuring, creating ever ongoing diversification? This is what speciation IS! hahaha you're providing evidence for speciation, and the diversification evolutionary theory is BASED ON. lol it is slow diversifation and speciation over millions, billions of years!

Do you creationists think evolution is claiming one full species mating with another, causing a third? is that it? LOL ... a croco-duck?

ROTFLMAO

Mate there is no 'leap' or 'gap' from one species to another, it is a slow, long process over time. You claim them as 'gaps' and every time something fills it, it creates another 2 'gaps' for you to cry 'look at the gaps' between them.

http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Intermediate_Forms_Between_Classes

Here's just one :

http://tolweb.org/tree?group=Sarcopterygii&contgroup=Gnathostomata

You are still ignoring the fact that 'genus' is just an arbitrary point chosen in previous speciation events, based on us looking back at the tree of life.

The fossil evidence is only part of the evidence for evolution. You admit evolution occurs, but claim that something stops diversification 'too far'. You have given reference to speciation events, which is exactly what we are talking about with regards evolution, yet have not explained how this next species, cannot itself have a speciation event occur, on and on, more diverse and more diverse.

LOL

Where is your evidence for creation OUG?

c'mon, show us your evidence. I have been answering your ignorance, there's mountains more evidence I could keep showing you. Show us the evidence for creationism / intelligent design, that makes it a Science. LOL

Ah finally! I've been waiting a long time for someone to put paid to OUG's repetitive and manic ramblings!

Gee Suss has arrived :-)

Love your work Gee Suss, go hard mate!

SUSSsquatch quote<<Prezygotic barriers? Gametic Isolation? mate that's why we have speciation.>>you say this like speciation rebuts not/speciation...genus isnt species..numb nut...read the links..lol

your rebuttal..[nonsence]..<<This is the divergence in evolution>>...which..'this'..retard..evolution of what..genus you dumbnut,..not species

<<that leads to totally seperate..classes of creatures,>>>
..yes TOTALLY SEPPERATE,,

because their alleles dont matchup..

[ie how we get speciation..that ensures..NO NEW GENUS can evolve...you flop flop,..avoiding saying genus..pretending you know..but even science dont claim that..

[only you adgenda athiests..
needing believers talk it up..like its proven science]

re..ya tree..ya sell as the bees knees..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_life_(science)

answer to the gaps...lol
http://creation.com/is-the-evolutionary-tree-changing-into-a-creationist-orchard
few studies of the caps here is one
check the known/knowns[at the chart...reaise how much..we simply dont know
http://www.strengthsandweaknesses.org/NewsletterArchive/2009.01.08.htm

http://www.google.com.au/interstitial?url=http://www.intentblog.com/archives/2005/08/gaps_in_evoluti.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/science/10tree.html

<<Dr. Sanderson hopes..that they will draw the entire evolutionary tree of plants...lol..within the next few years...“It’s within striking distance,”..Dr.Sanderson said>>>GET IT NUMB NUT....its not a god-head..its a theory

<<There’s just one problem...“We have no way to visualize..such a tree at the moment,”>>lol

<<he said...If they tried,..they would end up with a blurry, inscrutable thicket...“It would be ironic,” Dr. Sanderson said. ..We’d be saying,..‘We’ve built it,..but we can’t show it to you.’”>>>..yet retards..will believe its a done deal...lol

<<Within the next few decades,>>lol

<<biologists..may..figure out..how the millions of species on Earth are related to one another.>>>where your delusioning in science theory now..oh../suss/..retarded one

further quote<<<..But for people..to actually see that tree of life, the tree itself..will have to evolve...LOL..get it ya con artist.

ya might be fooling..the trickedees..of the world...but thats about it..ya tres not a tree...ya allelies ensure you can go on with screwing the sheeple....and no good fruit from either

my evidence for creation is we are living...ONLY LIFE COMES FROM LIFE..you retards studiously avoid..that first life...

can't replicate it..thus ignore the fact..LIFE BEGETS LIFE..

NAME THIS..FIRST LIFE

you can prattle on..about speciation..but evolution means..fish became you...and..you got no idea how...

nor does science....if you claim..you do....

explain how...

your only deluding your own
suss,..gee...is so full of it

Dave,

Thanks for the kind invite to email to learn more about David and Zeus. However, like wish to retain anonymity. You did raise my curiosity, though.

There were at least two interesting articles in the weekend papers, which are a cause of concerns, regarding the Christian Church:

Firstly, Australian Church leaders are joining forces to try to defeat human rights leglislation and secodly, the tragic story of how the Catholic Nuns in Ireland mistreated their charges in the 1950s.

The latter Irish case has parallels to the Australian "stolen generation". Here, the Irish Nuns dressed children in rags, made to eat "slop", and forced to perform unsuitable labours, whilst the Church received a payment of half the male wage per child from the Government.

Constance, a sometimes OLO poster, has held out the hope that the Nuns, were unlike the Christian Church in History or paedaphile priests and their protectors. Alas,it seems, even the nuns do not stand up to scrutiny.

OUG,

My questions?