Anti are you listening? I don’t always have 6 kids, this is not any regular incoming monies. I do spend it on the kids. Each kid a new wardrobe and all their own toys need buying. It isn’t like normal parenting where you gather stuff over time, from birth. I do spend it on the kids Anti. They eat good food, they have nice beds and linen, good clothing, and the coolest toys. Wear and tear means continually purchasing new stuff but linen and big toys etc stay so husband knows I want that to come out of “our” money not the kids allowance.

Hubby’s income is over 111,000.00 hence we don’t get benefits the carers on benefits and no other assistance of any kind.

You can make money if you are “another” sort of carer. And more benefits if an unemployed couple and DoCS will even write you a nice little letter telling Centrelink you don’t have to look for work.

Okay so we established I get approx 400.00 a fortnight per child. If I had the same child through Life Without Barriers I would be getting 800.00 a fortnight per child.

They say they do special needs kids – no they take any kid. They have received some from me – from one day to the next suddenly the kid is worth more. DoCS fund the NGO’s – they fund the kid and the administration of the child. Last report I read in the paper each child to this NGO comes with 5,000.00 a fortnight. And these kids DoCS wont go look at even if you ask them to.

I don’t think I claimed any sainthood, or slave status. I think I say often I like the kids, enjoy the kids and I like being at home.

Anti I hate this – I get this over on Altnews where I am a “pedophile who gets paid while treating the kids like pets”. I don’t need or do it for the money and I do not spend the children’s money on anything but them.

This morning sex drugs and rocken roll is headlines, surprising who is defending harm to a child if it took place in another thread.
Often grog and or drugs are used as the reason awful acts are commited.
And we must never except any excuse, Anti , is well described here by another poster.
Yet may well be a good person unable to hide some pain.
But I find reason to be insulted by the thought I am too emotional about this subject.
To condemn any human any sex that harms women and children is a strength never a weakness.
To those who wish for a better life for released pedophiles, ok but NEVER at the risk to children, never at our financial costs feather bed such a product of unwed parents.
Julie never change never let unwarranted slurs blind you to the joy of holding a kid who needs love to forget the pain, in your arms.
Anti I am alpha male still but can never put sexual crimes in the back ground.
I think devaluing it is a reason we fail to confront it .
What if it had been you? or me? or our kids if we can not do better we are not worth much.

suzeonline,

yes you were wrong and there is where you erred: "there are far more emotionally and physically wrecked children and adults in the health system with sexual abuse in their past, than those with neglect in childhood."

As I pointed out, the numbers harmed (and seriously) from neglect are far higher than for sexual abuse.

This is not to diminish the awful crime of sexual abuse, however where the (politicised) sexual abuse tail swings the larger neglect dog there will inevitably be skews and disruption to policy and funding which hamper the direction and co-ordination of effort.

What I said and it bears repeating is exactly what all government health departments concerned with child care, health and wellbeing have been saying for years: "it is particularly unhelpful to separate sexual abuse from other forms of abuse and the much larger child neglect because there are interrelationships, the causes are complex and a holistic approach is essential"

How simple is that?

Cornflower:”What I said and it bears repeating is exactly what all government health departments concerned with child care, health and wellbeing have been saying for years: "it is particularly unhelpful to separate sexual abuse from other forms of abuse and the much larger child neglect because there are interrelationships, the causes are complex and a holistic approach is essential"”

So if they find it unhelpful they probably haven’t been doing it? I mean separating out the abuses for statistic purposes or something?
Holistic... okay maybe in health, it certainly isn’t my field. I find it particularly helpful to know which abuses have visited a child. A combination is one thing but if only sexual abuse my approach with the child is very different.

But sometimes I find months in to a placement or months after they’ve left why a child was in care.

Cornflower:”As I pointed out, the numbers harmed (and seriously) from neglect are far higher than for sexual abuse.”

I am just not believing any numbers. Caseworkers tell me that neglect is a difficult one to prove. Emotional abuse near impossible. Sexual abuse can occur off and on in a child’s life but not proven.

Now if stats on neglect are on the rise then what has the government done with its word changing in mandatory reporting from “harm” to “significant harm” – they will miraculously and rapidly lower these stats

thought i would try to find the..meaning of..significant harm

http://www.google.com.au/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=gd&q=define+significant+harm&hl=en-GB&rls=MEDA,MEDA:2008-36,MEDA:en-GB

mainly pdf links
[PDF]Significant Harm DefinitionFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
http://www.leedsinitiative.org/uploadedFiles/Children_Leeds/Content/Standard_Pages/Levels_of_Need/Significant%20Harm%20Definition.pdf

The concept of..'Significant harm'..(Children Act 1989)..is the threshold that ... Whether the harm suffered by a child is..'significant'..is determined by ...

The Definition of Significant Harm 1.1 The Children Act 1989 ...
http://www.google.com.au/url?q=http://docs.google.com/gview%3Fa%3Dv%26q%3Dcache:GAqNa8AfNlkJ:www.leedsinitiative.org/uploadedFiles/Children_Leeds/Content/Standard_Pages/Levels_of_Need/Significant%252520Harm%252520Definition(1).pdf%2Bdefine%2Bsignificant%2Bharm%26hl%3Den%26gl%3Dau%26sig%3DAFQjCNE-4cO1sfJltdU8WVORnAxvPEjpvg&ei=aGG9SprEDc6IkQXZzLUd&sa=X&oi=gview&resnum=2&ct=view&usg=AFQjCNFgRMlwZI4Lt9qXWRIflW_YsEln_Q
The child is suffering,..or is likely..to suffer significant/harm; and ... significant harm...Consideration of the severity of illtreatment may include the ...
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Social care for children and families
http://www.shropshire.gov.uk/childrenfamilies.nsf
Stay Safe Service provides assessment,..support and intervention in situations where children..are thought to be at risk of significant harm ...

[PDF] Policy definition of Risk of significant harmFile Format: #
http://docs.google.com/gview%3Fa%3Dv%26q%3Dcache:VMMIbQqxKKcJ:www.community.nsw.gov.au/docswr/_assets/main/lib100040/rosh_definition.pdf%2Bdefine%2Bsignificant%2Bharm%26hl%3Den%26gl%3Dau%26sig%3DAFQjCNHfdAGKEQtVHzm_zD2wRfCwjils_Q&ei=aGG9SprEDc6IkQXZzLUd&sa=X&oi=gview&resnum=4&ct=view&usg=AFQjCNFAOt-dqADeNfppvKYHhrqoRFK3WQ

Preamble to policy definition of significant harm ... A child or young person is at risk of significant harm if the circumstances that are ...
http://www.teachernet.gov.uk/wholeschool/familyandcommunity/childprotection/usefulinformation/significantharm/

harmThe Children Act 1989,..introduced the concept of significant harm as the threshold that justifies compulsory intervention in family life in the best ...

Social Care Online:..The Children Act definition of 'significant
http://www.scie-socialcareonline.org.uk/profile.asp?guid=4a3628e8-f167-4311-8e3a-f0aae474f1d3
...Explores the interpretations of the Children Act 1989 definition of 'significant harm'. Pays particular attention to thresholds for intervention introduced ...

[DOC] DEFINITIONS, CONCEPTS and THRESHOLDS
http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:e3q9-5YHdiUJ:extranet.onesuffolk.co.uk/scb/Shared%2520Documents/DEFINITIONS,%2520CONCEPTS%2520AND%2520THRESHOLDS.doc+define+significant+harm&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au

The Children Act 1989 introduced the concept of significant harm as the threshold ... the child is suffering, or is likely to suffer, significant harm;-

http://kidsneedmums.co.uk/2007/03/21/are-you-causing-significant-harm-to-your-children-if-you-have-bipolar/

Are you causing "significant harm"..to your children if you have ...21 Mar 2007 ... This harm would considered significant if his/her health or .... Of course,..any parent like my mother is causing significant harm to their ...

kidsneedmums.co.uk/.../are-you-causing-significant-harm-to-your-children-if-you-have-bipolar/..Keep Them Safe update..What is risk of significant harm?..After extensive consultation involving around 200 government and ...
http://www.bigresponsemail.com.au/display.php?M=2037258&C=659fef30ef088f3f9ab8d5435f1a71ad&L=2881&N=2687

The Children Act definition of..'significant harm'—interpretations...
http://doi.wiley.com/10.1111/j.1365-2524.1996.tb00043.x

'significant harm'...Particular attention is paid to thresholds for... were suffering or likely to suffer significant harm...Conclusions are...
http://doi.wiley.com/10.1111/j.1365-2524.1996.tb00043.x

Belly
How can anyone be accused of being too emotional about first child sexual abuse then any other form of abuse of children
You or any decent person should feel insulted by that accusation.
It is worse though when a person is accused first of "Bashing & Starving " a child and then told by the departments representative in Court that they never believed that
Then the allegation that you emotionally abused that child by domestic violence with cops answering your home but no police records of this and on 18 months Probation the time that all this domestic violence is supposed to be occurring yet not one concern recorded by the Probation Officer
Then that my child was taken because of the ex's amphetamine addiction
Then now the greatest accusation is that I am supposed to have sexually abused him
I have seen my son for 10-15 minutes since October 2000
DoCS don't consider that there is some problem with this whole affair
My teachings were that there is no gender with child abusers they are all CHILD ABUSERS
Peadophiles in society should NEVER be allowed let alone financially assisting them give the money to people like TPP they will use it in a more fitting way
Thanks have a good life from Dave