suzeonline:"Prove to us all that every word Piper wrote was not true."

She took a simple comment of mine, that was not gendered, but merely made metion of the fact that sexual assault against children is not as serious or as widespread a problem as abuse and neglect and went on with a stupidly gendered attack.

What she wrote was purely an attack on all men and a stupid digression from the main problem.

i do think she's feeling a little sensitive about the facts that are starting to emerge around the levels of violence and neglect perptrated against children by single mothers. that's her and your problem, deal with it.

Belly:"you proved to be you are indeed anti woman."

What a lot of rubbish, Belly. Show where I made any comment that is "anti-women". I made a simple statement of fact, which can be proven. The West Australian figures are quite clear:

"In 2005-06, mothers were responsible for 161 neglect, 72 emotional and psychological, 76 physical and three sexual abuse cases against their children. In the same financial year, fathers were responsible for 37 neglect, 41 emotional and psychological, 65 physical and 22 sexual abuse cases against their children. "

All the calling me antiwoman won't change that and focussing on the small number of sexual abuse cases won't help the large number of physical, psychological and emotionally abused kids, nor will it help the poor buggers who Mum simply can't be bothered or isn't up to looking after. As the report says :"Mothers were more than 17 times more likely than fathers to neglect their children". Let's not lose sight of the path while watching for drop-bears.

TPP:"I don’t get paid."

But you do, Jewels. You get to stay home doing what you choose to do while someone else picks up the tab. I'm sure you must claim all the allowances and benefits available to you - you'd be dumb to do otherwise. I laud what you do, Jewels, but don't try to play at being a saint.

By the way, here's a link to the payments that TPP is eligible for:"

http://www.childsafety.qld.gov.au/fostercare/documents/carer-handbook-money-matters.pdf

Fortnightly caring allowance Fortnightly $401.91 $432.98 $470.67
Start-up allowance One-off $86.60 $86.60 $86.60
Establishment payment One-off $432.98 $432.98 $432.98
High support needs allowance Fortnightly $144.00 $144.00 $144.00
Regional/remote loading (10%) Fortnightly $40.19 $43.30 $47.07
* All payments and allowances are indexed in January each year in line with the consumer price index (CPI).

Do I need to keep receipts?
No, you do not need to show the department how the fortnightly caring
allowance was spent. However we recommend that you hold onto all
medical and pharmaceutical receipts.

How many kids did you say you have, Jewels? 6? You're being paid at least $2400 per fortnight, plus you'd have got an additional $2400 when they commenced, plus you'll no doubt be claiming as many as possible from the following list :

http://www.childsafety.qld.gov.au/fostercare/support/benefits.html#carerchild

Not bad for someone who "doesn't get paid".

Mind you, I'm only too happy to see you get it, you obviously care about the kids, but $60K+ a year aint bad dough, especially once you've got everything set up. The "establishment" money must be a nice bonus.

Anti I am married and my husband works. I’ve said it a lot. Because of what he earns I can get the family allowance at approx 60.00 a fortnight. Out of the 6 kids I have now, I receive the FA for 3 of them. Just the way things work out here. I have no health card and am entitled to no benefit here.

I get the fortnightly allowance only – I am a short term carer. I don’t take “high needs” kids and I am not in a remote location. Because I am not a long term carer I do not get an establishment fee. But that 86.00 start up money, a couple of times the caseworker remembered to bring it otherwise you dip out. I have one child DoCS don’t pay me for, I have another they haven’t paid me in two months for.

Get a grip Anti – 400.00 a fortnight is for everything, doctors, schooling, uniforms, books, driving them anywhere, clothing, food, power, water. If I was making money hubby would be stoked.

Your comment was gendered and you were dying to get those stats in. You’d be feeling better now you managed to throw them somewhere. Did you read what I wrote? These stats don’t make sense. They all need throwing out. I have met too many teen girls in fostering that admit to lying about a man touching them. I’ve met too many kids sexually abused who were not listened to – it is good enough to get the kids in care on being physically abused (easier to prove). And again, it isn’t often that only one type of abuse occurred to a child.

Wasn’t’ it you that comment about DoCS getting things wrong but then you use stats generated by this very department?

“All the calling me antiwoman won't change that and focusing on the small number of sexual abuse cases won't help the large number of physical, psychological and emotionally abused kids,…”

You must be bloody joking. For Christ’s sake Anti go chop some wood or something.

<< All the calling me antiwoman won't change that and focusing on the small number of sexual abuse cases won't help the large number of physical, psychological and emotionally abused kids >>

Quite correct A-septic, calling names won't change anything for anyone, perhaps you might consider you own words the next time you cast aspersions on the female posters here.

Nor is anyone focusing solely on sexual abuse cases - you are attempting, yet again, to muddy the issue of child abuse. Sexual abuse is a part of the problem of mistreating children.

For your edification the following is a definition of child abuse:

"What is Child-Abuse?
The term 'Child Maltreatment' is a catch-all term to describe the maltreatment of children by caregivers, and includes various forms of child abuse and neglect.

The definition of child maltreatment is a complex area. The main forms of child abuse are;

Sexual Abuse:

* Exposure to sexual activity, voyeurism
* Fondling, masturbation, oral sex on a child or offender
* Penetrative sex on a child (or by the child to the offender).

Available statistics for 2003-2004, found that in USA, UK and Australia, approximately 10% of all child protection notifications involved an allegation of child sexual abuse.

Physical Abuse:

* Inappropriate/excessive physical discipline or hitting with an object
* Punching, kicking, shaking/throwing
* Scalding/burning, strangling, fatal abuse

Emotional Abuse (also called 'psychological abuse' or 'psychological
maltreatment'):

* A pattern of abuse. It is not a single incident
* Involves any act by a person having the care of a child that results in the child suffering any kind of significant emotional deprivation or trauma
* Emotional trauma underlies the various forms of abuse/neglect and is the central part of all abuse.

Neglect is the failure to provide a level of care that meets a child's physical and emotional needs, including;

* The failure to provide adequate food/fluids or clothing
* Failure to provide an adequate hygienic living environment
* Inadequate supervision, failure to ensure safety
* Abandonment or desertion
* Educational or medical neglect."

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Antiwomen: << When was the last time you worked for a living? >>

There, in a nutshell, is why feminism continues to be as relevant today as ever. Sigh.

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http://www.ourcommunity.com.au/insurance/view_help_sheet.do?articleid=1781

A-septic

Your continual attempts to malign Piper and others does indicate a hatred of women. Piper, unlike you, is actually doing something to help abused children - all you do is whinge, when you are not googling for stats to bolster your POV.

You are not fooling anyone. Nor are you making any difference to society's failure to care for our most vulnerable people.