Suseonline,
I had your sympathy, I never asked for or wanted your sympathy. I am an adult near at the end of my life (three score & ten). My Son has had criminal offences committed against HIM.
Also I do not want a return to "THE GOOD OLD DAYS" I have said it is time we recognised the importance of the SAHM's & the major & I do mean major role the SAHM's play not only in the home but the carry over of this right through society.
Instead of the feminist movement wanting equal rights to go out drinking sleeping around having a good time all that the men were doing they should have been saying to the men get home & help with the children.I also gather you have not read Bowlby Attachment & Loss do so & see what the gender roles are in a childs life.
AS my father said you bring a child into this world or take a child on you give up 18years of your life automatically then the rest of your life in worry whether you did right or wrong. And as far as Islamic countries they are not much different to Christianity it is just that feminists wanted what men were doing which was wrong.
When a women wants to get married why should she be looking at financial independence to leave the woman gave a committment for life so too the man then honour the vows & stop looking for greener pastures & being envious of someone else
Men that want a woman to bow them want to remember a marriage is a union of two as one then if the former is the approach of men then they should bow to themselves as well which is the woman their other half.
Holy matrimony should not be able to be compared to de-facto marriage as de-facto marriage is marriage without marriage NO COMMITTMENT walk out whenever they choose. This is a real good approach for the children & displays little problem solving solutions.
Thanks have a good life from Dave

Belly,
Re the anger part for five years all paper work addressed to the authorities has been through my Local Member so the anger side there was not available as they were dealing through my Local Member.
First If I offend anyone from here I apologise also it may have to be over two posts so cont. could be there.
Belly, to answer the Anger part fully:-
I have lived a life that I would wish upon no man, But I lived it so lets see what I can say from one side that being the side of wrong so I will repeat the words I once spoke to a DCJ I haven't got a damn clue what is right but I do know what is wrong.
To answer what is wrong one must have a base to which to work from, Mans basic instinct is animal(athough at times I have been vegetable and thought myself mineral but that's just, me?)
When a man is accused of something that he has sworn against and acted upon,(for other peoples children), then have my Son removed from my yard by the very bastard that was accusing a man of doing that which he is sworn against Anger What Anger.
Then the Court (Kangaroo? Belly, I will tell you now Jumped out the window AND took the joey with it) Now Anger What AAnger
Have three months to get a grasp on the Act & The Law sitting in The Attorney-Generals Law Library the 18/9/1997 preparing paperwork to present before the DC the 19/9/1997 then be accused of being not by one but two of being 550klms that night from where you are at in sworn affidavit statements what do you call placing before the Courts that which you know to be false plus the allegation that DoCS took my Son for they didn't believe and one of the accusers then makes a sworn statement of the 18/9/1997 in serious problems aye
No nothing done the DC will just find a date that I was in that town
Anger What AAAnger. cont.

dwg, sorry I upset you by not agreeing with everything you said.

It sounds like you have HUGE anger issues that you need to deal with if you don't want to let it eat you away. You only have one life.

How old is your' son now dwg? Surely he is old enough or almost old enough to make up his own mind about all of this supposed vendetta against you?
If it was all wrongly handled, then surely he will find out?

You really need to get some professional help.
I mean well, honestly. Sue.

dwg your pain your anger, the unfairness of it.
My pain my anger my once very near breakdown.
My loss because I cared are side issues.
My idea for this thread has failed.
Note how often we copy Foxys short sentences style.
My thought was we could truly talk abut our failure, all of us.
Generations of us.
In child protection.
We did not do that.
Child sex is not just something pedophiles who are on the margins of life do.
Some of US tour other country's judges police people from all walks of life, for sex with children.
30 years a sex slave, for her own father, and no one stopped it.
How many do we not know about?
Will we ever learn?
Anger dwg is great when men need to fix baronets and go to war.
The pain and anger is hard but if we expose it in a debate? a court room debate?
If I yesterday let my anger at two grown men crying because of hurt pain and miss management I would have lost their case.
I harnessed it used it wisely they both still have jobs.

Cont.
Now as I was saying Anger What Anger I have contained that anger But when the very departments that are supposed to be protecting children are corrupt taking children on false evidence(Perjury) kidnap denial of legal and human rights the situation must cease and what has happened to my son is criminal offences and it is wrong.
Why is it wrong because as at the start I said I know wrong and what has occurred here is wrong
Now people here want to know when is this wrong going to stop then get off the butts & ask why this child has been denied the laws that was to protect him
The reason I am judged angry because that is what those that make that judgement on me would be ANGRY
I am but one man with the proof to prove that the Directors-Generals have committed criminal offences and it is the directors-general that is guilty of the crime not the workers underneath that has been tested in court before today.
So until those that want to raise the issues of child abuse do something, then don't sit and say that I am angry, as that is what you would be. Start demanding that the authorities be prosecuted then we just might start to uncover the rot that is within our society.
Like I have said contact me direct and I will give you the evidence but don't hide behind the personal detail bit as I am not interested in anyones personal details just somewhere to send it to you
Until we take action the children will continue to suffer
Actions Speak Louder Than Words
STOP CHILD ABUSE OR LEAVE THE SUBJECT ALONE
Have a good life from Dave

Suzeonline
Upset me because you don't agree with all I say wouldn't give a damn whether you agreed or not
You want to post on child abuse then do something to stop it
By your response I would say that you are or were hired in the public service arena
HUGE anger problem no just sick of people talking on child abuse when they do nothing to stop it
As I say it is a bit hard to say outright why I am so much against child abuse
But we will see if you may be able to work it out EX Main stream Prisoner the stench of human blood(Rock Spider) is hard to remove this is over another persons children I am told go home make a life
Anti- social behaviour to do what was done the other side of the wall so rely on the law to do the protecting of my child what do I get the very behaviour that was condemned the side that I am supposed to forget
So much for your society laws
Thanks have a good life Dave